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carolinahuddle: damn you for not knowing how contracts and caps work in the nfl! damn yooooou!

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He hasn't backloaded any more than most teams (the recent Stewart contract is an exception), he just paid people too much, be it for their level of skill or for the value of their position.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Gross's contract is back loaded and so is Williams, Kalil's, Gamble's and Beason's right? I thought this was why we're squeezed cap wise and we're going to be forced to cut some vets this year, rely on the draft, and hire a gm who has had a lot of positive results scouting in the past.

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Dear Mods,

Is there any way possible we can ban PT from at least creating any more Dumb threads??

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Correct me if I'm wrong but Gross's contract is back loaded and so is Williams, Kalil's, Gamble's and Beason's right? I thought this was why we're squeezed cap wise and we're going to be forced to cut some vets this year, rely on the draft, and hire a gm who has had a lot of positive results scouting in the past.

The majority of big NFL contracts have higher numbers in the final years than the initial years (backloaded). Some of this has historically been due to expectations of an increasing cap, and the ego of players and agents. The reason I mention ego is because all the stars want to have the biggest contract ever, blah, blah, blah, so GMs throw a big, non-guaranteed, salary into the later years to make it look like a bigger deal. Once those years approach, the players either renegotiate or are cut.

But some are more obvious than others. Stewart's salary was basically nothing this year (and next if I remember right), but he got the big signing bonus and has guaranteed salary in the middle years of the deal, making it hard to get out of.

Beason's, DWill's, Gamble's and Kalil's were all contracts in which the player was paid more than market value for their position and contribution. It is more glaring in Beason's case because of the injuries.

Once we signed DWill to that big deal, we never should have signed Stewart to a big deal as well. Beason, TD, and Anderson all got big contracts. Most teams might have one high paid LB, but to pay all 3 more than market value was a killer, even without the injuries. Most teams do not believe centers should get a huge salary, as it is often considered the least important o-line position, as evidenced by how few are drafted in the 1st round.

So long story short, our problems go beyond backloading. Way beyond.

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You said you were becoming a rams fan, why don't you already? LEAVE!

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Maybe this will help?

Carolina's nightmare cap situation

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/69706/carolinas-nightmare-cap-situation

We took a look at the New Orleans Saints’ salary-cap situation. It’s far from ideal, but at least the Saints have some obvious ways to free up cap space.

But I’m now looking at the numbers for the Carolina Panthers, and it sure looks like they’re in a much worse situation than the Saints. There simply aren’t a lot of easy escape routes for the Panthers.

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The Panthers would lose cap space if they released Smith, Stewart or Godfrey. They’d basically break even on Anderson.

Beason and Williams could be candidates for release, but only if the Panthers designated them as June 1 cuts and spread their cap hit over two years, instead of one.

The Panthers currently have $136 million committed toward a 2013 salary cap that is expected to be slightly more than $120 million. Let’s look at some guys who could be on the cap bubble.

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The bottom line here is the Panthers are in a brutal spot. They're not going to be able to do much of anything to improve themselves in free agency. They're going to be subtracting from their roster, and the only viable way to add to it will be through the draft.

And someone wants to step into, litterally, this kaka as a GM for the Panthers? Jerry "Jones" Richardson better have some deep pockets.

Same way with a HC. You better hope if the Panthers have to spin off Vets in favor of Rookie Draft pics. That Rivera has a Chuck Pagano/Bruce Arians clone somewhere.

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Don't see why this thread got bashed. Most PantherTrain threads I get the bashing, but this one, I just don't see the reason.

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The majority of big NFL contracts have higher numbers in the final years than the initial years (backloaded). Some of this has historically been due to expectations of an increasing cap, and the ego of players and agents. The reason I mention ego is because all the stars want to have the biggest contract ever, blah, blah, blah, so GMs throw a big, non-guaranteed, salary into the later years to make it look like a bigger deal. Once those years approach, the players either renegotiate or are cut.

But some are more obvious than others. Stewart's salary was basically nothing this year (and next if I remember right), but he got the big signing bonus and has guaranteed salary in the middle years of the deal, making it hard to get out of.

Beason's, DWill's, Gamble's and Kalil's were all contracts in which the player was paid more than market value for their position and contribution. It is more glaring in Beason's case because of the injuries.

Once we signed DWill to that big deal, we never should have signed Stewart to a big deal as well. Beason, TD, and Anderson all got big contracts. Most teams might have one high paid LB, but to pay all 3 more than market value was a killer, even without the injuries. Most teams do not believe centers should get a huge salary, as it is often considered the least important o-line position, as evidenced by how few are drafted in the 1st round.

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So long story short, our problems go beyond backloading. Way beyond.

I do agree as far as backloading isn't the singular problem with the team. But as I stated earlier we doubled up on backloaded contracts at redundant positions Williams and Stewart most glaringly. Now we can't escape without trying to artfully trim the fat off the roster. Which is a hit or miss proposition. I feel like it would be hard on a GM to walk in off the street and be able accurately evaluate the players on our own roster to decide what to trim. In essence we're going to put who gets cut in the hands of someone with limited familiarity of our players and that sort of scares me

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I do agree as far as backloading isn't the singular problem with the team. But as I stated earlier we doubled up on backloaded contracts at redundant positions Williams and Stewart most glaringly. Now we can't escape without trying to artfully trim the fat off the roster. Which is a hit or miss proposition. I feel like it would be hard on a GM to walk in off the street and be able accurately evaluate the players on our own roster to decide what to trim. In essence we're going to put who gets cut in the hands of someone with limited familiarity of our players and that sort of scares me

The fact he isn't emotionally invested with the players could be a good thing.

But personally I believe that since Rivera got one more yr that Beane gets a year and I see him not making the cuts we need

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I do agree as far as backloading isn't the singular problem with the team. But as I stated earlier we doubled up on backloaded contracts at redundant positions Williams and Stewart most glaringly. Now we can't escape without trying to artfully trim the fat off the roster. Which is a hit or miss proposition. I feel like it would be hard on a GM to walk in off the street and be able accurately evaluate the players on our own roster to decide what to trim. In essence we're going to put who gets cut in the hands of someone with limited familiarity of our players and that sort of scares me

Just to clarify, DWill's contract really isn't backloaded, Stew's is. DWill's salary actually drops by $500,000 in 2013, before increasing by $1,000,000 in 2014.

I agree with CRA that having an "outsider" come in and make the tough decisions is actually a good thing. Hurney (and probably JR) overvalued our players, so a new guy should be more objective. We have to start trimming the fat now, or this problem will just get worse.

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Just to clarify, DWill's contract really isn't backloaded, Stew's is. DWill's salary actually drops by $500,000 in 2013, before increasing by $1,000,000 in 2014.

I agree with CRA that having an "outsider" come in and make the tough decisions is actually a good thing. Hurney (and probably JR) overvalued our players, so a new guy should be more objective. We have to start trimming the fat now, or this problem will just get worse.

This could be true. I'm just not sure how he's going to be able to accurately evaluate the players when he hasn't seen them in live action or knowing where they're at in their development. With veterans it doesn't make as much of a difference I suppose. I just don't want the new GM to start cutting some young players he doesn't know much about when they're developing well.

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This could be true. I'm just not sure how he's going to be able to accurately evaluate the players when he hasn't seen them in live action or knowing where they're at in their development. With veterans it doesn't make as much of a difference I suppose. I just don't want the new GM to start cutting some young players he doesn't know much about when they're developing well.

But that is the thing...

A lot of what the new GM isn't evaluating talent playing on the field....but look at Fox era guys and what we are paying them (age and roster depth).

Our cap isn't a mess bc of Rivera era players. They cost peanuts. Those are the young guys.

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