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Very good post. I have been one of the one's calling for Rivera's head, but am open minded enough to hope you have more accurately gauged the situation.

However it turns out, you have at least made a nice case in his favor.

Thanks, I tend to be optimistic but I fully realize I could have it completely backwards. As fans we base so much of what we think on what we see on TV and he said, she said rumors. By the time Hurney was fired I was on the fire Rivera bandwagon but I was impressed by how he really did change things up the last half of the season and I'd rather take one more year and take the chance we're on the cusp of greatness then to never know and start all over again so soon especially when there are so many indicators that the Panthers really are a lot closer than our record indicates.

How many articles and stat comparisons have there been saying how good the panthers are in all the categories that matter (except for wins)? Or how many wins we've lost by less than a touchdown or lost by one single play. Really, change one fluky play in most of the games we lost and we're in the playoff. Cam makes that easy pass in the Seahawks game to Hartsock. Cam doesn't fumble in the first Atlanta game. Smitty slipping in the Bears game. My god, the last Bucs game. I still can't believe we lost that one.

That's 4 plays and 4 games that we lost by just bad, bad luck and not making routine plays. Those teams are who we thought they were and we let them off the hook.

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for more information on how insignificant being a players' coach is as it pertains to coaching ability, check out this poll...

lol

coughlin, belichik, jim harbaugh, pete carroll all on that list.

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I am going to say this very cautiously, because I'm not around him everyday, but sometimes I feel like Cam Newton is playing a game of chess and the rest of the world is playing checkers.

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Feel free to disagree, but if you watched the video and saw how the players reacted to Rivera and then saw all the tweets from the players today regarding the news that Rivera would be returning, you might think differently.

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My beef with Rivera was not adjusting the coverage of Norman on Marshall at the end of the Bears game. But when Norman was benched and the next guy up (Dockery) manhandled receivers in press coverage it became obvious that Norman simply was afraid to get dirty with receivers and wouldn't have done anything differently anyways.

Where we as fans tend to go astray is in assuming a coach's job has to be all about doing anything it takes to win right that minute, but we have to remember they are dealing with actual human beings. Rivera wanted to coach Nirman up and keep him confident, but the kid just wouldn't play outside his comfort zone. Ron finally bit the bullet and shut him down; hopefully, he'll wise up and get physical next year, but his confidence will need to be built back up, especially with Thomas and Dockery having success at the end of the year. It's a balancing act, and difficult to learn without experience. My hope is that Rom is building that experience with this year, and will be better in the future. For those who think he won't improve, you have an entire half-season to see that isn't true. The late streak we went on last year didn't involve much real changes in the coaching schemes, but this year almost every improvement was related to a Rivera move. He has shown the ability to change, something we all wanted after Foxball.

I know you can't really compare these coaches(at least not yet obviously), but look at chuck noll and bill walsh's first few years and their records in close games ( -horrible- )

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I know you can't really compare these coaches(at least not yet obviously), but look at chuck noll and bill walsh's first few years and their records in close games ( -horrible- )

That's interesting to see too, but I've never understood the "close games" argument. History has shown that the outcome in such games is as close to random as can be imagined. There are too many individual elements that can effect the outcome of a game for a team to have more than marginal influence in the final outcome of an otherwise close affair; blocked extra point kicks, punt return TDs, INT on a tipped ball, missed field goals, etc. I remember the storyline on Peyton later in his career when he went on a long stretch of losing close games, and everyone argued he was losing his touch, until he went on a winning mini-streak and then everyone praised his newfound "clutchness."

Clutch is a myth, folks. It's a statistical anomaly with a very small sample set with a multitude of influencing factors that somehow implicate that because the external magnitude of the plays effect on the final outcome of the game has increased, the difficulty or ability to complete them has somehow been changed compared to the rest of the game. Any added tension on the offense is matched by tension on the defense, so they all play within the same framework of success or failure.

This is why Belichick runs up scores any chance he gets: he'd rather take the element of chance out of the final outcome of a game.

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As an addition to FP's post above, think back to the Seattle game. Remember that before Cam threw the ball in the dirt, he completed a pass to Louis Murphy at the 1 ft line, but Murphy couldn't get in. If Murphy got that extra foot, it became a clutch performance by Cam. Instead, we never do get it across the goal line and it becomes a failure for him.

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As an addition to FP's post above, think back to the Seattle game. Remember that before Cam threw the ball in the dirt, he completed a pass to Louis Murphy at the 1 ft line, but Murphy couldn't get in. If Murphy got that extra foot, it became a clutch performance by Cam. Instead, we never do get it across the goal line and it becomes a failure for him.

Exactly, and what blows my mind even further is that quarterbacks who have a history of blowing teams out will always get that "yeah, but are they clutch?" silliness thrown at them (another anti-Peyton special) despite the fact that nothing cements a victory better than outscoring the other team by a wide margin.

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That's interesting to see too, but I've never understood the "close games" argument. History has shown that the outcome in such games is as close to random as can be imagined. There are too many individual elements that can effect the outcome of a game for a team to have more than marginal influence in the final outcome of an otherwise close affair; blocked extra point kicks, punt return TDs, INT on a tipped ball, missed field goals, etc. I remember the storyline on Peyton later in his career when he went on a long stretch of losing close games, and everyone argued he was losing his touch, until he went on a winning mini-streak and then everyone praised his newfound "clutchness."

Clutch is a myth, folks. It's a statistical anomaly with a very small sample set with a multitude of influencing factors that somehow implicate that because the external magnitude of the plays effect on the final outcome of the game has increased, the difficulty or ability to complete them has somehow been changed compared to the rest of the game. Any added tension on the offense is matched by tension on the defense, so they all play within the same framework of success or failure.

This is why Belichick runs up scores any chance he gets: he'd rather take the element of chance out of the final outcome of a game.

I agree with you 100% and its why i mentioned it, it's faulty logic to judge a HC by. And I'll even admit that I impulsively used that close games argument in the beginning of the season purely out of frustration but now in hindsight, while I still disagreed with some of his decision making in general which were mainly not going for it on 4th and short in the ATL game to seal it, which even though we had them pinned at the one I still would have personally liked to see that killer instinct and also deciding for the Hail Mary instead of the field goal for medlock, but he improved later on in the season with the decision making so ill give him that. But honestly his main issue this year weren't the close games as much as it was taking too long to tell chud to switch out of the silly read option base offense more than anything else. And then hearing about The lack of chemistry on the offensive staff earlier today also made me think it was really chud who brought this team down more than Rivera, although Rivera still should have acted quicker. I guess we'll just have to see what happens next season to make final judgements, but all in all... I agree the close games argument shouldn't be used as much as it is regarding Rivera's failures in his first two seasons as a HC.

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you guys remember when you were working that shitty job and that terrible manager that let you slack off and didn't do anything when you argued with customers got fired or transferred and they brought in one of those mr. fix it hard ass managers that you hated?

same thing applies here

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Win, motherfugers. Don't talk, win.

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I figuratively went to Panther Preschool, Panther Elementary School, Panther Middle School, Panther High School and Panther University.

My grades were average at best but I am Panther born and Panther bred, and when I die, I'll be a Panther dead.

You guys can shitake all over this team and the FO all you want. I am a proud, loyal fan and called for Rivera's head, called for DLo to be cut...I can complain with the best of you. But a decision has been made and I for one will support it until circumstances dictate otherwise. If the players of this team are behind Rivera, I am behind Rivera.

I would hope that the "Huddle Family" I enjoyed so much last off-season can get past this. This site went from being more fun than free porn to a constant pissing contest.

Let's get back to what we do best...hating on Alejandro, Kilgo and Pickles.

And tittays.

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I'm with this dude, I dont agree with sticking with Rivera, but I cant' change it. So It's JR's decision and i'll support it until he starts 1-2 -3 -4 -5 again, and then i'll start to call for his head. However for now I will support the decision, even though I dont agree with it. I will support the FO decision and root for my Panthers, I hope everyone else that is a true Panthers fan knows that they pretty much have to do the same.

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