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Are the Panthers attractive to a GM prospect?

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Giants - Jerry Reese became GM in 2007. He inherited Coughin who was hired in 2004.

Steelers - Cowher was the inherited coach.

Neither of them had won rings yet. Given to new GMs. They account for 3 of last 15 rings given out.

There are other examples, those are two Superbowl examples from well regarded organizations. point simply is that isn't something just Jerry Jones would do

the GM Ernie hired Coughin and won a super bowl. why would Reese come in and fire a super bowl winning coach?how did Cowher get into the convo, besides the guy who replaced him won a super bowl and was hired by the team that consist of the GM. my point is in those organization the GM is apart of the team that fires and hires most coaches. not just the owner.

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I think it's a good GM job b/c it's honestly relatively low pressure considering other jobs out there right now. Only drawback is that JR just made a decision classically made by the GM. So now the GM has to live with a guy he didn't pick for at least one more year.

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Any GM worth having would be interested.

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You can continue to believe that there's some super secret sneakiness going on if you want to, but there's really nothing to support it.

You're making some pretty strong assumptions and the only point I've been illustrating is nobody knows anything except what JR wants them to know.

I have a hard time understanding why you're so intent on everything being public knowledge, when in reality there is more talking, texting and phone calls going on than you think. Just because every little tidbit isn't out there on some internet message board doesn't mean it's not happening. The ostrich taught us that.

My better half is a COO running a multi-million dollar corporation and has been contacted over the past 12 years by a few dozen companies desiring her leadership. She's declined interviews out of hand and accepted others. But she hasn't necessarily reported every interview she declined to the Board of Directors or anyone else outside of myself for that matter. What purpose does that serve, besides making it appear as though 1) you either don't like it here and you're looking elsewhere or 2) you're trying to wrangle a new contract.

I understand there's probably a world of difference in the 2, but business is business and most savvy business people don't publicly discuss every move they make.

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the GM Ernie hired Coughin and won a super bowl. why would Reese come in and fire a super bowl winning coach?how did Cowher get into the convo, besides the guy who replaced him won a super bowl and was hired by the team that consist of the GM. my point is in those organization the GM is apart of the team that fires and hires most coaches. not just the owner.

Your years are off.

Ernie left after the 2006 season.

Reese inherited Couglin for the 2007 season. Couglhin had been on the hot seat. They won the Superbowl in 2007 which was Reese's first year as GM.

Cowher was an example of a coach put on a GM. He wasn't a Superbowl coach then...

Those were just examples involving coaches put on GMs who won Superbowls. Many examples though in general. point is simply, it isn't just a Jerry Jones type move. Yes, GMs often hire coaches....put plenty of times owners put the coach in place and force a new GM to first ride it out with a HC they don't hire.

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You're making some pretty strong assumptions and the only point I've been illustrating is nobody knows anything except what JR wants them to know.

I have a hard time understanding why you're so intent on everything being public knowledge, when in reality there is more talking, texting and phone calls going on than you think. Just because every little tidbit isn't out there on some internet message board doesn't mean it's not happening. The ostrich taught us that.

Does your better half have an agent?

Richardson isn't the mob boss / illuminati / master manipulator that some make him out to be. People act like he has complete control over what all the press outlets say about the Panthers. He may have some influence in Charlotte, but not much nationally. Heck, even here at home he gets criticized plenty by local guys.

And to be clear, Richardson had zero control over what agents say. Agents are very free with information when it comes to their clients. They tend to be the guys that tip the press when their clients are up for something (if the team doesn't do it themselves).

You might also want to consider that some of the people reporting these things (guys like Albert Breer, Ian Rapoport, etc) work for the NFL. Richardson doesn't have the authority to tell league reporters not to talk about something.

Bottom Line: He likes to keep things quiet, but so do some other teams. Big deal.

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Does your better half have an agent?

In her particular business, she has the equivalent of an agent, so yes.

With respect to who says what to whom and your other comments, I'll always respect and value your opinions. However, in this case, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My opinions on how JR commands the ship simply differ from yours.

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Your years are off.

Ernie left after the 2006 season.

Reese inherited Couglin for the 2007 season. Couglhin had been on the hot seat. They won the Superbowl in 2007 which was Reese's first year as GM.

Cowher was an example of a coach put on a GM. He wasn't a Superbowl coach then...

Those were just examples involving coaches put on GMs who won Superbowls. Many examples though in general. point is simply, it isn't just a Jerry Jones type move. Yes, GMs often hire coaches....put plenty of times owners put the coach in place and force a new GM to first ride it out with a HC they don't hire.

and again one of my orginal questions was how many have been successful?not many, just the giants. you said this happens quite a lot but it does not. most of the time it is a team of execs that lead to find the next HC. normally the owner and GM is apart of that team.

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and again one of my orginal questions was how many have been successful?not many, just the giants. you said this happens quite a lot but it does not. most of the time it is a team of execs that lead to find the next HC. normally the owner and GM is apart of that team.

My only point was it isn't a Jerry Jones thing....organizations don't do it every time they hire a new GM but it isn't really that unusual of a thing. It isn't something just bad organizations have done.

Depends on how you choose to define a lot. It happens. Normally when teams hire a new GM they do it after a 2010 type season....then I think you legitmately clean house.

Numbers also say, new HC brings in "his" QB with in 3 yrs if he doesn't inhert a Superbowl champ. JR doesn't want to burn this Cam thing down yet IMO

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In her particular business, she has the equivalent of an agent, so yes.

With respect to who says what to whom and your other comments, I'll always respect and value your opinions. However, in this case, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My opinions on how JR commands the ship simply differ from yours.

Which is fine.

I've had my fair share of issues with how Richardson has run the Panthers. I just think people put way too much stock into his ability to control what the media says. Outside of possibly some of the lesser media in Charlotte, he doesn't really have all that much.

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No GM worth a damn wants to work with a meddling owner who despite not being a "football guy" makes critical football based decisions.

We cant draw a quality GM for the same reasons the Cowgirls cant and the Raiders couldnt when Al was alive.

Unlike the few you mentioned, Dan Snyder seems to have learned his lesson.

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Beane being a secondary prospect and already in house gives him the edge. See loyalty above. All things point to him being our guy.

So continuing to be a second tier franchise and mediocrity is in our future.

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