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#25 Cyberjag

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:49 AM

Look at us compared to Cleveland, Jacksonville or Arizona for example. Are they going to win anytime soon? It is very possible we have a winning year next year. We can get under the cap getting rid of some guys who were not the biggest contributors like Gamble.

If the job of a GM is to turn the team into a winning franchise, we are closer than a number of teams who canned GMs. Once the Philly job and the Jets job get settled, we would be the next most attractive.

Philly doesn't have a QB, and in New York you're stuck with Ryan, and again you don't have the QB.

I really think that despite Jerry's meddling, Carolina is more likely than any of the others to set a new GM up for success. Even if they lose next year, it can be blamed on Rivera. And we have serious young talent.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:54 AM

"...and in New York you're stuck with Ryan..."

and what, exactly is the difference between Jets owner Woody Johnson announcing Ryan is staying and Panthers owner Jerry Richardson saying Rivera is staying? None...absolutely no difference. Big difference in personalities and possibly a big difference in ownership philosophies, but the bottom line is the same- the owners made a GM-type decision before hiring their next GM.

And what happens if the Jets are willing to pay $2M a year more for a GM than Richardson will? Is someone going to tell me the Panthers job is still more attractive?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:59 AM

No difference, but do you really think Ryan can possibly be easier to work with than Rivera? I get what you're saying, but that doesn't mean Carolina isn't relatively more attractive than New York.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:21 AM

No difference, but do you really think Ryan can possibly be easier to work with than Rivera? I get what you're saying, but that doesn't mean Carolina isn't relatively more attractive than New York.


Again, my point exactly. The fact that the coaching decision is now a moot point based upon the owner's decision, I'm taking the job which offers me the best compensation package regardless because I can always lay the performance of the team at the feet of the coach.

Let's not forget the GM is a contract position unlike players- it's guaranteed no matter what. So, if I'm a prospective GM and I know I'm stuck with Ryan or Rivera (also guaranteed contracts) for at least one more year, I'll go wherever they make me the best offer knowing that maybe I'll have some say in who the next coach is.

Let's face it- Tannenbaum wasn't fired because Sanchez isn't very good, nor was Hurney fired because Rivera is not a great coach. I think they were both let go for 2 reasons- to give the fanbase a reason to hope for a better future and because they probably both put their teams in salary cap hell.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:23 AM

his is the most important conversation any prospective GM can have with the owner because, as blasphemous as it may sound, there are owners out there who couldn't care less about the team's performance as long as the bottom line is black, and JR may be one of those- and I promise you nobody on this board knows for certain.



Yea but I mean...we can always look at the evidence.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

I would also add in a little too much interference from ownership in how he assembles his coaching staff and roster as a big negative.


This should drive away anyone that's worth a damn

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

A former NFL player with a Super Bowl ring isn't a "football guy?" Am I missing something?
Edit: The 1959 NFL Championship Game

Neither the Raiders nor the Cowboys ever looked for a GM under Jones or Davis since they are/were both owner and GM, established in their respective corporations as such and hold the title. Again, Am I missing something?


Richardson played what? 4 years? 4 decades ago? He's much more knowledgeable in foods. I guess Michael Jordan is a bball guy since he is the GOAT. Nevermind he makes horrible decisions and has brought in real execs who understand bball like Brown and Cho. No one thinks Jordan is this great bball exec even despite playing.He's swallowed his pride and removed himself from all bball related decisions. JR isnt smart enough to do this. He thinks he's Rooney, but our results say otherwise. He needs REAL football people in his organization not his old drinking buddies. As a football guy, JR gets you 7-9 at best.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

Like EVERY season the cap situation is being blown out of proportion.

I do think this is an appealing option for a myriad of reasons.

Dream job? Maybe not, but I don't think it would deter many people just because its Carolina.


If what you are saying about the cap is true the job should be attractive.I think we are about 4 players away form being a playoff team.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

Here's our competition,with their 2012 record, starting qb from last year, head coach if applicable and draft position.

Chiefs 2-14, Cassel, Andy Reid and 1st overall pick

Jags 2-14, Gabbert, Mularkey and 2nd overall pick

Browns 5-11 Weeden,Mccoy, Vacant and 6th overall pick

Cardinals 5-11, Kolb/Skelton, Vacant and 7th overall pick

Jets- 6-10,Sanchez, Rex Ryan and 9th overall pick

Chargers 7-9, Rivers,Vacant and 11th overall pick

Of those teams it looks like the Jags(Mularkey still up in air like Rivera was until yesterday) and Chargers will allow their GM candidates to pick their own coaching staff. Granted by the time they land their job they will have missed the opportunity to interview at least 2 candidates(Reid and Marrone) and possibly 1 more in Chip Kelly.

Now that they missed on Reid, AZ may also be a team that hires a GM before having a head coach in place. Same might be able to be said for the Browns job if Chip kelly goes to Philly.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:42 AM

Richardson played what? 4 years? 4 decades ago? He's much more knowledgeable in foods. I guess Michael Jordan is a bball guy since he is the GOAT. Nevermind he makes horrible decisions and has brought in real execs who understand bball like Brown and Cho. No one thinks Jordan is this great bball exec even despite playing.He's swallowed his pride and removed himself from all bball related decisions. JR isnt smart enough to do this. He thinks he's Rooney, but our results say otherwise. He needs REAL football people in his organization not his old drinking buddies. As a football guy, JR gets you 7-9 at best.


And, again, you are making the assumption that I've been asserting throughout the entire thread- nobody knows just how involved JR is in the personnel decisions of this team. I'm not saying I agree with the assumption one way or the other, but as time goes by I'm starting to lean toward the notion that JR is a lot more controlling than a lot of people think. And, if that is the case, then part of your premise is correct.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:44 AM

Again, my point exactly. The fact that the coaching decision is now a moot point based upon the owner's decision, I'm taking the job which offers me the best compensation package regardless because I can always lay the performance of the team at the feet of the coach.

Let's not forget the GM is a contract position unlike players- it's guaranteed no matter what. So, if I'm a prospective GM and I know I'm stuck with Ryan or Rivera (also guaranteed contracts) for at least one more year, I'll go wherever they make me the best offer knowing that maybe I'll have some say in who the next coach is.

Let's face it- Tannenbaum wasn't fired because Sanchez isn't very good, nor was Hurney fired because Rivera is not a great coach. I think they were both let go for 2 reasons- to give the fanbase a reason to hope for a better future and because they probably both put their teams in salary cap hell.



It all depends on what JRs expectations of a GM are.I got the feeling that Hurneys 1st priority was to do what JR ask and his second was to win games. Its impossible to know if JR helps or impedes us from winning.My guess it is the latter.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:47 AM

looking at the evidence that has been presented, i would assume JR is pretty involved in the team decisions.just look at yesterday.