then i will volley right back to you. if you can credit Indy's d with TIMELY plays, can you do the same for a qb? so a guy throws for under 50%? but how did he do in the 4th? in the red zone or when the game was on the line? was he awful in the first half but did significantly better in the 2nd?
my one off the beaten path stat for qb's when it comes to ratings etc is keeping drives alive with 3rd down conversions to keep his d off the field and resting.
because as someone said in another thread about dinks and dunks is why RG had such a high passer rating, you can parse the stats to look at down field throws. what % of those were completed? when?
our only sample size on Luck is this season which for him just ended today. none of us know the future.
which brings me back to what i only want to see more of around here. wins. i don't care how or who against or where. just friggin win more games.
I agree that we all want more wins.
My point in my post however, isn't to just credit the Colts defense those wins.
I was to illustrate the fine line between what some would consider "clutch" and "choking" and winning and losing when drawing a direct a parallel to winning, 4QC, and GWD solely to a QB. And that has been the crux of the argument from people who disagree that Luck isn't a very good QB yet. They point to wins and 4QC and GWD. But when you look at the play of the Colt's defense in certain situations, they provided the support for those things to happen, whereas a guy like Cam Newton who has a losing record and much fewer 4QC and GWD, well he hasn't had the same type of support. If the Colts had the same late defensive breakdowns that the Panthers had and the Colts were 4-12 instead of 11-5 the narrative of "clutch" for Luck would be non-existent just as it is for Cam Newton right now.
My point in comparing Newton and Luck isn't to say who is better. It is to illustrate the fine line between the "clutch" and "choke" in late game situations and how it can have less to do with the QB play than situational plays by the entire team.
And when you add in the fact that Sanchez, Vince Young, and The Golden Calf of Bristol have a good win % and several 4QC and GWDs, I don't think that those are sufficient barometers to determine how good or bad a QB is.
And because of that, I feel you have to look at the overall picture. And when I watch Luck play and also look at his stats overall, he isn't very good. Not only that, but he wasn't very good against very poor competition.
Look at the list I made of the teams he won those 7 close games against again and look at the effort that was required to beat them. Tennessee 2x, Cleveland, Miami, Buffalo, and Kansas City. Those are really bad teams.
And what worries me about Luck in the long term is that he is already a very mentally advanced player. He will get better with getting rid of the ball quicker and decision making just off of continued experience alone. But his arm strength and lack of accuracy, coupled with the fact that I am not sure how much mental development he has left, makes me worried that Luck is already much closer to his ceiling than Cam, Wilson, or RG3 and is already not as good as they are.