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#191 TheRed

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:33 PM

Teams don't make history by just going to the playoffs and getting their asses handed to them.

Who gives a poo about or remembers the teams every year that went one and done? Do tell.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:35 PM

No, you said its all about winning. So according to that Sanchez, The Golden Calf of Bristol, and Young are the best Qbs in the league. I mean these guys are career winners. We should kill the have any of them over Cam right now.


you have one season right? you can either go to the playoffs in that ONE season or not.

The Golden Calf of Bristol, for last year and what Denver had and did, it worked. this year he proves otherwise and i have said since he came out that he was a TE at best.

again. some of you guys are so in love with Cam that you are confusing objectivity of other qb's as something negative towards him. thats not the case.

the whole context of this thread is Luck is no good. im saying based on THIS ONE YEAR and the overall goal of getting to the playoffs. he has done pretty well.

will he be good next year? i have no idea. The season in which Sanchez or Young made the playoffs, they were good in the confines of THAT particular season.

they don't give trophies to teams for the best stats. but they do for wins.
i don't think its concievable but Cam could play 10 yrs and never make the playoffs. i highly highly doubt it.

i don't want us as a fan base to have a false sense of security by going well our qb is better than yours at least and be satisfied with that instead of having high expectations to make the playoffs.

and speaking of winning. look at Flacco. ONLY qb to win a playoff game his first FIVE years. i think he is terrible but hey, i will take looking bad and winning all day long.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

Pstall it's funny watching you stumble over yourself to make excuses and stick up for other teams QB's.

Where is this enthusiasm and understanding for your own quarterback?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:50 PM

Pstall it's funny watching you stumble over yourself to make excuses and stick up for other teams QB's.

Where is this enthusiasm and understanding for your own quarterback?


are you serious? this thread is about Luck. its not about Cam being good or not.

i know tons on Cam and within this thread and others fully stood by him and his abilities.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:56 PM

He's pretty damn good... And he's going to be one of the best in the game soon.


But I wouldn't take him over Cam.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:58 PM

so teeray. lets follow your logic here. Luck has 7 game winning drives and he isn't good. Sanchez has 6 and played in back to back AFC champ games and he isn't good.
so if a qb has not had 1 come from behind win and not had 1 playoff game what does that make him?

i feel like im trying to will some of you to move past stats and comparing players like kids and just focus on winning more games. i don't care how it looks or what the stats say or what experts say. i just want us to win MORE GAMES.


In order to follow this logic I would have to concede that winning games, 4th quarter comebacks, and game winning drives are all a direct parallel to the QB position.

But for sh1ts and giggles lets look at some of the games the Colts won and compare those to our Panthers and you can tell me what you think.

Minnesota: Indy won on a 53 yard field goal

Cleveland: Indy hold a 4 point lead going into the 4th quarter. Defense does not give up a single point in 4th and Indy wins by 4 points

Tennessee: Indy ties the game with 3:24 left in regulation. Colt's defense holds tie and Colts win in OT

Miami: Colts take a 3 point lead with 5:58 left in the game. Defense preserves the lead

Buffalo: Colts take a 7 point lead with 11:30 to go in the 4th quarter. Defense preserves that lead

Tennessee: Colts takes a 1 point lead with 6:23 left in the 4th quarter. Defense preserves that lead and Colts win by 4

Kansas City: Colts take 7 point lead with 4:08 to go in the 4th quarter. Defense preserves lead.



Okay. That is 7 of the 11 games that they won. Now ask yourself these questions. How many times has the Panthers defense preserved a one score lead in the 4th quarter with 3:00+ remaining? Do we have a kicker that you feel comfortable with trying a 50+ yard field goal for a win? How many more wins would Cam have if we did these things? How many more 4th quarter comebacks would Cam have if we did those things?

Our defense may have been better overall, but Indy's defense was timely. If the Colts had defensive breakdowns late in games like we did against CHI, Tampa, Dallas, KC, etc. that could be the difference between the Colts being 11-5 and Luck having a bunch of GWDs and 4QCs and the Colts being 4-12. And it was the difference in us going 7-9 instead of possibly 11-5 and Cam having more GWDs and 4QCs.

You talk about people looking at stats, but that is all you have done. You have just relied on GWD and 4th quarter comebacks, coupled those with wins and say that winning as a QB is all that matters.

4th quarter comebacks and GWDs are really great. But there is another side that can help pad those particular stats. The Colts defense did it and we had breakdowns. Simple as that.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

He's good. Wilson & Griffin are better, but he's good.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:09 PM

no argument from me about Indy's d making timely plays vs the Panthers.

multiple things going on here.

in the context of Luck not being good(per you) i have no choice but to point to some stats that counter that. If this thread had been about a def making key plays at key times, im posting much dif things with much dif angles.

somehow me more or less sticking up for Luck in the eyes of some gets translated into me NOT being a fan of Cam's. which again is not the case. i totally like that we have Cam. thats not at play here.

so when i start getting push back on that, i go look, i prefer to win as opposed to stats since the Panthers have not gone to the playoffs in a few years.

and as i said earlier, in THIS particular year, Luck has in fact been good. will he continue? i have no idea of knowing that. none of us do.

many things came together for the Colts and while thats true, 7 come from behind wins is nothing to minimize. thats all im saying on that. come from behind wins are rare and are a pretty good indicator of what a qb can do. again, its no lock for how Luck does in the future.

while im here let me say this. i started a thread over a year ago about with what we have with Cam and Chud that I can see multiple 10 win seasons and playoffs. now why would a guy who doesn't like Cam say that?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:09 PM

are you serious? this thread is about Luck. its not about Cam being good or not.

i know tons on Cam and within this thread and others fully stood by him and his abilities.


Oh now it's about Luck again huh lol. Your first posts in this thread brought up Cam (stats are for losers har har) and you have continued it for several pages. Cut the act.

Atleast stand by the drivel you post and don't beat around the bush so much.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:18 PM

Oh now it's about Luck again huh lol. Your first posts in this thread brought up Cam (stats are for losers har har) and you have continued it for several pages. Cut the act.

Atleast stand by the drivel you post and don't beat around the bush so much.


my first post was about homerism trumping wins. that was the TEAM part.

then after a run on Cam vs the other i mention that the comparisons vs other qb's are going to happen and if you do, somebody wll go yeah but they have a good d or running game or they played a weak sked and i said stop with the excuses.
at some point winning has to go above commercials, swag and being mentioned on First Take. this part was towards some fans being so caught up in that over winning. which i can only gather by what they post or what they start a thread on.

at no point have i said, trade Cam or i wish we had luck. it was all you other guys that brought that into the mix and im like what are you guys doing?

and im not beaing around the bush. I like Cam and im glad we have him. i simply want us to win more games. how is that so elusive for some of you?


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