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you make it sound like he was incredibly successful here and didn't have just 3 winning seasons out of 9 and he didn't peak after his 2nd year.

you make it sound like he didn't get into the playoffs last year with an 8-8 record playing in the weakest division in the NFL and he didn't get a bye in the playoffs with a HoF quarterback chucking the ball around.

he fell into a great situation in denver. easy conference, easy division, and in year two peyton manning. yeah, the man's a stud HC.

oh yeah well he took The Golden Calf of Bristol to the playoffs hurrrrr

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Did he say he wouldn't have taken cam in an interview somewhere? How do we know that?

fox went on record on NFL network that he thought the panthers were going to select dareus before the draft. it's the way the guy thinks.

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I always said Fox could take a 2-14 2012 Cheifs and make them around .500. He could also take the 2012 Green Bay Packers and make them play around .500

Sundays were mostly uninspired..and John Kasy winning a 13-10 game that looked like and incomplete festival was not great coaching. It was hiding less talent and eeking out a win. It could never get past that point with Fox here.

his teams consistently played down to the level of their opponents

for example, this was probably the second best panther team we fielded in the fox era:

http://www.nfl.com/v...ers-21-Lions-20

http://www.nfl.com/v...24-Cardinals-20

as for what he's doing in denver, only an idiot would argue that fox doesn't know defense or that he doesn't know how to make a team play hard for him. you have to keep his hands off the offense and give him limited control over personnel or you'll wind up with a jake situation.

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I always said Fox could take a 2-14 2012 Cheifs and make them around .500. He could also take the 2012 Green Bay Packers and make them play around .500

Sundays were mostly uninspired..and John Kasy winning a 13-10 game that looked like and incomplete festival was not great coaching. It was hiding less talent and eeking out a win. It could never get past that point with Fox here.

that's a great way of phrasing it and completely accurate.

where would the broncos had been if peyton didn't go there? everyone stand up and say with confidence that they would have one of the best records in the league without him.

come on....i'm waiting.

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you make it sound like he was incredibly successful here and didn't have just 3 winning seasons out of 9 and he didn't peak after his 2nd year.

you make it sound like he didn't get into the playoffs last year with an 8-8 record playing in the weakest division in the NFL and he didn't get a bye in the playoffs this year with a HoF quarterback chucking the ball around.

he fell into a great situation in denver. easy conference, easy division, and in year two peyton manning. yeah, the man's a stud HC.

while they had pieces in place, their defense was a joke. He turned it around even before he got del Rio back to lead the defense. The offense was good enough with The Golden Calf of Bristol as QB to get them into the playoffs. Weak conference or not, getting into the playoffs is important.

Then he got the vet QB he's always desired.

He didn't fall into anything.

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defeating 8 average or worse teams on your schedule and backpedaling into a playoff berth because every other team in your division is as inept as yours isn't exactly a bangup job

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defeating 8 average or worse teams on your schedule and backpedaling into a playoff berth because every other team in your division is as inept as yours isn't exactly a bangup job

yep. stumbled into a good situation then stumbled into the playoffs then stumbled into peyton manning.

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while they had pieces in place, their defense was a joke. He turned it around even before he got del Rio back to lead the defense. The offense was good enough with The Golden Calf of Bristol as QB to get them into the playoffs. Weak conference or not, getting into the playoffs is important.

Then he got the vet QB he's always desired.

He didn't fall into anything.

a "vet QB" to fox is a guy like kyle orton or jake delhomme, not an expensive top shelf free agent like peyton manning. that was elway's doing all the way. also you're arguing as if the The Golden Calf of Bristol thing happened in a vacuum and how awful the AFC west is/was doesn't matter which is disingenuous. he had plenty of 8-8 and 7-9 panther teams but that isn't good for poo in the NFC south.

the only time we ever chased a blue chip free agent QB was in 2007 when we brought in david carr (yes there was a time when carr was considered a desirable free agent) yet there was never any doubt whatsoever that jake would still start.

also i don't think anybody in their right mind is arguing that john fox doesn't know how to coach a defense.

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Fox dumped his veteran Peete to play Jake. Aside from Davis, every first rounder he had started their rookie year. He brought the wildcat back to the NFL.

If he was coaching this team, as is, with these coordinators, he would probably have gone 10-6 or better. There were a few games earlier this year that he wouldn't have let get away--just like Rivera has a knack for losing the close ones, Fox has a knack for winning them.

Hate on him all you want, he was and is a good coach.

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Fox dumped his veteran Peete to play Jake. Aside from Davis, every first rounder he had started their rookie year.

wrong. he started foster all of 2006 over williams. again in 2007 until near the end of the season.

additionally although stewart was platooned heavily with deangelo in 2008 he wasn't the "starter"

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really it's not even about fox being a "good coach" or not-it's the subtext. because his denver team is the top seed in the AFC it's implied in all this hypothetical grabass that we let a mastermind slip through our fingers by his numerous apologists on this board. that's bullshit.

right now, fox is in a situation in denver where his strengths are maximized and his deficiencies are minimized if not eliminated. nobody in their right mind would dare argue that the man doesn't have an eye for defense or can't motivate players-that's his biggest strength by far. we always had reasonably good defenses in carolina when he was here. a few bordered on great, even.

but you either weren't paying attention or are ignoring much of what happened when he coached here if you think he's a good offensive playcaller or judge of personnel on that side of the ball. you are deluded if you think he's allowed to lay a finger on denver's offense, let alone call plays.

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wrong. he started foster all of 2006 over williams. again in 2007 until near the end of the season.

additionally although stewart was platooned heavily with deangelo in 2008 he wasn't the "starter"

I stand corrected. Still, he played every rookie first rounder that he could extensively. The notion that he wouldn't play them is a myth.

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