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#46 teeray

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

go back and check out what Miami did with the Wildcat.

Something very different than what teams were accustomed to seeing. They were VERY successful in running it for ONE season. Once teams figured it out....they shut it down.

Go back and watch the 1996 Panthers Defense. Dom Capers was running an exotic defensive scheme (gimmick). It was VERY successful until GB showed how to play it. Then it was shut down.

Gimmick offenses and defenses (something no one has seen before) are usually VERY short lived in the NFL. Teams figure them out and they are basically shut down.


There are just as good of coaches in in college as there is in the NFL. Perhaps even better coaches. And they still haven't figured it out.

That is because it is virtually impossible to account for everyone on the field like that.

With the Wildcat you really don't have to account for the receivers so you can bring both safeties up for run support. You don't have that luxury with the read option.

And one other thing. No one runs the spread option offense in the NFL the way it should be ran. Not Was, Sea, SF, or Carolina.

If a team really wanted to run a great spread option type offense, all they have to do is watch Peyton Manning's offense. Quick or no huddles, get to the line of scrimmage, make the defense show their hand, make adjustment according to what defense is doing. Only difference is that you have a QB that the defense also has to account for. It makes it virtually unstoppable. Granted in order for it to actually work in the NFL you have to have a QB that can also throw the ball. You couldn't get away with it in the NFL if the QB was just an athlete.

I don't think you can now call that offense a gimmick. It is mainstream in college now and is making its way to the NFL.

#47 KendrickPanther

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:34 AM

I don't have the mind power to wade through all 4 pages of this filth. Just know that RG3s offensive line was much better than Cam's. His LT is headed to the Pro Bowl and they utilized a quick passing attack not a long downfield passing attack.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

Really that's true for most any play.

FWIW Cam/Rg3/Niners Guy and even Luck and Russel can run it with success.

To much of anything fails in the NFL.

you run the ball too much, teams are gonna stop you. you pass the ball too much, teams are going to stop you. it may take a few plays, a few games, or even a season or two depending on how well you do it and how new it is, but it will eventually be stopped.

the wildcat's failing was that it was predictable. you stick an RB back there and guess whats gonna happen 90% of the time....he's gonna run. the principle was sound, tho...put someone back there who is a threat to either run or throw and you make that guy dangerous. balance had to be there for it to be most effective, tho. pass enough to keep the defense from completely boxing in the backfield, but run often enough that the D has to keep an eye on it rather than on stopping the pass.

our run game failed in 2010 after such a dynamic year prior because we focused to much energy on running and didn't do enough in the passing game for the defense to not worry about sending in 8, 9, or even 10 rushers to the backfield. there was no balance and we got killed.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

Washington runs theirs differently than we do.

Cam is more of a power threat and can score in the redzone and get first downs on 3rd and 4th and 1.

RG3 is more of a speed threat and gashes teams to the edge.

Just different styles.


Someone call me when RG3 powers past a big pile of doods for a goal line TD.

#50 DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA)

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

Cam Newton is a great read option QB. Best in the NFL.

Next question. He is the only one built to do it.

The RB play this year was more crap G play w/ no holes than anything in the read option as well as overusage of it.

#51 Fox007

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

I prefer Cam to be under center for at least 75% of the time anyway.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:24 PM

Our read option early in the year was different than what most other teams are running. The RB and QB were usually nearly standing still when the decision was made to keep or hand off. Other teams have the RB a bit further from the QB or in a pistol set (behind the QB) so they could get a running start. I think this limited it's effectiveness.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:27 PM

Just shut up on Cam and the read option okay please

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:29 PM

Our read option early in the year was different than what most other teams are running. The RB and QB were usually nearly standing still when the decision was made to keep or hand off. Other teams have the RB a bit further from the QB or in a pistol set (behind the QB) so they could get a running start. I think this limited it's effectiveness.


I think it is more the G play than anything in 2012. A gimp or hurt Stewart factoring as well.

2011 - Read option was appropriately sprinkled in.Result? One of the greatest rush attacks in NFL history.

#55 Rocky

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

No
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Stop posting.


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#56 Kurb

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:42 PM

personal attack..

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#57 Rocky

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:47 PM

Done


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

the read option is nothing more than another running play, except instead of just handing the ball off to just one guy regardless of how the defense is set up or what they're doing, the QB reads the D and sees if he or the RB would have more success. thats it.

people make it out to be a bigger deal than what it is. it's not the read option thats the problem.

the reason it hasn't been working isn't because its a "college" play.

ask yourself why any running play doesn't work. predominantly there are two answers.
1) they know you're going to run it and/or
2) you don't have the ability to run it well

for some reason the panther run game has always taken nearly half the season to get going solid. it always takes several weeks for the OL to gel. the first half of this season when we ran the read option the most was during a period in the season that we don't run the ball well anyway. to make if worse, if you don't have an oline prepared or able to adjust quickly to block for who has the ball, you're in trouble. this OL just wasn't ready or able to block for it....just like every year. being a newer mindset/dimension to the blocking scheme didn't help at all.

then there's the predictability. chud didn't run it well. he tried marrying the coryell passing game with the read option run game. when you want to pass, get in one of the usual coryell formations. when you want to run, you get in one of the usual read option formations. see a problem? the defense knew what we were going to do by how we lined up. and we never adjusted. the spirit of jeff davidson possessed chud's body.

to correct it...for starters get the OL gelling and ready earlier. they take it way to easy in the offseason. they don't get nearly enough reps together as a unit because usually they're always dicking around with personnel shifts.

and then, frikkin mix up what you do. run the ball out of non- read option formations and rjn other plays out of read option formations....play action, bubble screens, etc. will all work out of it. and add i more pistol formations. quit drawing an obvious line between your running game and your passing game. try disguising what you do because you're sure not good enough to just impose your will on others even if they know what you're gonna do.

be prepared and be confusing. don't fear the read option. fear being unprepared and predictable.

This is your best thread and I completely agree. First time, lol.

#59 FastNFurious

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:57 PM

I really don't care what kind of qb Cam is.... as long as we win games

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

Newton is a fine read-option QB.

The read-option is a bad system to run as your base offense in the NFL.

We have better results when we run Newton out of a base Coryell offense not because of problems with the quarterback, but issues with the system at the pro level.


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