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#37 Fox007

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

That's really just dot connecting on their part. One of the reasons Richardson didn't fire fox after 2009 was not wanting to pay the third highest salary to a guy not working.

Rivera is working for peanuts comparably and if they hadn't gone on a late season tear he'd be gone, contract be damned.



I pretty much agree with you and I don't really mind Rivera staying.

I just don't want him staying to cost us any of the potentially great GMs.


I would take Gettlemen over Beane any day though.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

Guys, I brought up this note to point out the good info on Gettleman, not so we can rehash the vagaries of why JR kept Rivera.


So you posted with a certain intent for the topic but others seized on a tangent and ran with that as the primary point of discussion...

That actually happens a lot around here.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

As to the topic...

The bit on Gettleman is consistent with what others have said, and something which likely makes him a pretty good fit with Richardson. It also probably means that as a GM, he'd be less likely to get into pissing matches with agents.

That was one good thing you could say about Marty Hurney. He never let his ego motivate how he did business. Bill Polian, on the other hand, was reported to have once thrown a chair at an agent during an especially contentious negotiation. Richardson tried writing notes to him in the midst of meetings urging him to calm down.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

The more I hear, the more I like Gettleman.



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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:13 PM

ross may be a sexier pick, but gettleman seems more like a guy that will cut through the BS and get the job done. he seems legit. the fact that he's played a significant role in so many successful organizations will help change the existing culture.

imo, he's very much needed around here.

if, tho, JR is going to move the franchise to the west coast, beane might be the man for the job. you know...he can handle all the travel arrangements and stuff.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

I think that the writers theory on RIchardson not wanting to eat two years of the contract is an educated guess based on JR's past

Is it not also possible that he met his requirement of showing him something after the Hurney firing?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

I think it's important to recognize that there is a difference between being cheap and not wanting to throw good money after bad. On balance, I don't see how anyone can accuse JR of being cheap. When necessity demands it, he seems more than willing to pony up the bucks. But I don't blame him one bit for satisfying himself that the checks he signs are more likely than not to show a positive return on his investment. Yes, he's a billionaire. But that doesn't mean he should spend foolishly. It's all too easy for us to sit here and moan about not spending for this GM, that coach, or those players when it's not our money.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:32 PM

I think it's important to recognize that there is a difference between being cheap and not wanting to throw good money after bad. On balance, I don't see how anyone can accuse JR of being cheap. When necessity demands it, he seems more than willing to pony up the bucks. But I don't blame him one bit for satisfying himself that the checks he signs are more likely than not to show a positive return on his investment. Yes, he's a billionaire. But that doesn't mean he should spend foolishly. It's all too easy for us to sit here and moan about not spending for this GM, that coach, or those players when it's not our money.


A bunch of huddlers thinking that they know how to spend a rich guy's money better than the rich guy himself... you don't say.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

I think it's important to recognize that there is a difference between being cheap and not wanting to throw good money after bad. On balance, I don't see how anyone can accuse JR of being cheap. When necessity demands it, he seems more than willing to pony up the bucks. But I don't blame him one bit for satisfying himself that the checks he signs are more likely than not to show a positive return on his investment. Yes, he's a billionaire. But that doesn't mean he should spend foolishly. It's all too easy for us to sit here and moan about not spending for this GM, that coach, or those players when it's not our money.

i said all along (at least as far as i can recall) that while i didn't like him not firing fox in '10 (or earlier were it up to me), i can understand him not wanting to pay for two coaching staffs, esp. when one had the amount of money fox was getting.

it made sense, but it wasn't in the best interest of the team. same with keeping hurney on after fox was let go. it hurt more than it helped.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:21 PM

The more I hear, the more I like Gettleman.


Me too.

There's something about the guy that makes me think "winner".

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:05 PM

i said all along (at least as far as i can recall) that while i didn't like him not firing fox in '10 (or earlier were it up to me), i can understand him not wanting to pay for two coaching staffs, esp. when one had the amount of money fox was getting.

it made sense, but it wasn't in the best interest of the team. same with keeping hurney on after fox was let go. it hurt more than it helped.


Granted, there might be something to what you say. But that's a totally separate issue, to me, from being cheap. Poor judgement? Maybe. Tight fisted? Not that I can see.