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A look at the 6 GM candidates the panthers will interview this week


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#25 UNCrules2187

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:26 AM

This will sound "ageist," but I wish Gettleman was 10-15 years younger lol. I don't know why, but it would make me feel better. I suppose it's in the same vein of question that people have of Ross. Some bring up that Ross has gone on so many interviews but hasn't gotten an offer. Well, Gettleman seems to be a very well respected guy, yet he's been stuck in the same position for 13 (I think) years. Why?

To be clear, I'd be happy with either as our new GM, just throwing out a devil's advocate PoV.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

This will sound "ageist," but I wish Gettleman was 10-15 years younger lol. I don't know why, but it would make me feel better. I suppose it's in the same vein of question that people have of Ross. Some bring up that Ross has gone on so many interviews but hasn't gotten an offer. Well, Gettleman seems to be a very well respected guy, yet he's been stuck in the same position for 13 (I think) years. Why?

To be clear, I'd be happy with either as our new GM, just throwing out a devil's advocate PoV.


Ross is young, but not inexperienced.

Of the candidates we have, he's tied for the second most NFL scouting experience (16 years, same as Paton, behind only Gettleman who's been at it for 25 years).

My ideal situation would be to hire Gettleman for the job now but also hire his eventual successor at the same time, putting him in a position like Director of Player Personnel or some such (something we don't have right now).

Have said before that I'd absolutely love to get both Gettleman as the GM of the present and Ross as his heir apparent, but that's a pipe dream.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:38 AM

Ross is young, but not inexperienced.

Of the candidates we have, he's tied for the second most NFL scouting experience (16 years, same as Paton, behind only Gettleman who's been at it for 25 years).

My ideal situation would be to hire Gettleman for the job now but also hire his eventual successor at the same time, putting him in a position like Director of Player Personnel or some such (something we don't have right now).

Have said before that I'd absolutely love to get both Gettleman as the GM of the present and Ross as his heir apparent, but that's a pipe dream.


Which is why if the pipe dream scenario is exactly that, a pipe dream, if we have to go one or the other, I would prefer Ross. I want someone that preferably could hold the job down for the next decade and beyond. While I'm sure Gettleman could do that, just how long does he plan on working in an NFL front office? He's already in his 60s, is he really going to want the NFL GM grind in 5 years? 10 years? Just makes me a little bit uncomfortable.

However, if he's determined to be the best man for the job, then you hire him.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:44 AM

mr scot's write up was better.


Well considering how most of the Observer articles are based on posts from the huddle. Their version has to be watered down a little to not look identical.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

Which is why if the pipe dream scenario is exactly that, a pipe dream, if we have to go one or the other, I would prefer Ross. I want someone that preferably could hold the job down for the next decade and beyond. While I'm sure Gettleman could do that, just how long does he plan on working in an NFL front office? He's already in his 60s, is he really going to want the NFL GM grind in 5 years? 10 years? Just makes me a little bit uncomfortable.

However, if he's determined to be the best man for the job, then you hire him.


Granted, but what if the best guy for the job right now is Gettleman?

These next few years in Carolina may be rough ones for whomever gets the position. Handing the ship over to a younger guy like Ross might ruin him right out of the gate, whereas letting someone with more experience steer until we're through the rough water (while Ross learns on the job) and then handing the wheel over and saying "you take it from here" might be more practical.

Mind you, there are other guys who could potentially serve as the GM in waiting behind Gettleman. Ken Sternfeld and Kevin Abrams come to mind (though I'll grant Sternfeld's not that much younger than Gettleman, from what I know).

I'd add that if either Ross or Gettleman is named GM, I'd love for them to find a way to steal Kevin Abrams to serve as the team's cap manager.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

Granted, but what if the best guy for the job right now is Gettleman?

These next few years in Carolina may be rough ones for whomever gets the position. Handing the ship over to a younger guy like Ross might ruin him right out of the gate, whereas letting someone with more experience steer until we're through the rough water (while Ross learns on the job) and then handing the wheel over and saying "you take it from here" might be more practical.

Mind you, there are other guys who could potentially serve as the GM in waiting behind Gettleman. Ken Sternfeld and Kevin Abrams come to mind (though I'll grant Sternfeld's not that much younger than Gettleman, from what I know).


Hello Mr Scot - Can you just briefly explain to me what the key jobs are for a GM? There are lots of different roles within an organisation and i'm not entirely sure who does what.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

Hello Mr Scot - Can you just briefly explain to me what the key jobs are for a GM? There are lots of different roles within an organisation and i'm not entirely sure who does what.


I'll give you what I know.

The GM's primary job is personnel evaluation, deciding who's worth drafting, who's worth signing in free agency, which players currently on the team deserve contract extensions (for how long and how much)...essentially acquiring the "groceries" as Bill Parcells put it that the head coach uses to set his roster.

Most GMs these days oversee the cap as well, though often it's with the assistance of a cap manager (someone with strong accounting skills). It's tough to find one guy who's great at both scouting and accounting, so generally the GM sits down with the cap guy to work things out. The GM might say what he thinks a certain player is worth, to which the cap guy replies with what the team can afford.

Although the general structure might vary somewhat from team to team, in most cases the GM's desk is where the proverbial buck stops. He oversees everything related to the football side of things, including stuff like the hiring and firing of front office people (and sometimes coaches) and oversight of the scouting departments, the ones responsible for gathering the information that the GM uses to make his player decisions.

So yeah, overall it's a really big (and extremely difficult) job.

Hope that helps.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

Props to the op for posting this.

We dont all live in the confines of Charlotte .


I live in Southern California, but you're welcome.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

I'll give you what I know.

The GM's primary job is personnel evaluation, deciding who's worth drafting, who's worth signing in free agency, which players currently on the team deserve contract extensions (for how long and how much)...essentially acquiring the "groceries" as Bill Parcells put it that the head coach uses to set his roster.

Most GMs these days oversee the cap as well, though often it's with the assistance of a cap manager (someone with strong accounting skills). It's tough to find one guy who's great at both scouting and accounting, so generally the GM sits down with the cap guy to work things out. The GM might say what he thinks a certain player is worth, to which the cap guy replies with what the team can afford.

Although the general structure might vary somewhat from team to team, in most cases the GM's desk is where the proverbial buck stops. He oversees everything related to the football side of things, including stuff like the hiring and firing of front office people (and sometimes coaches) and oversight of the scouting departments, the ones responsible for gathering the information that the GM uses to make his player decisions.

So yeah, overall it's a really big (and extremely difficult) job.

Hope that helps.



It does - Thank you. I did wonder when the Hurney guy got the boot what effect that would have at the time because I couldn't see what impact it had if any on the current on field performance.

I think the grocery shopping analogy makes perfect sense - he does the shopping and leaves the coaches to make the best out of what they are given.

My background is football (soccer) and ruby league so for me Its a case of having one man calling the shots when it comes to pretty much every aspect of the club - transfers, selection, coaching so getting my head around an NFL setup is a bit tricky!

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

I want Gettleman.

He has a pedigree and knows what it takes to be in the big game across a couple different eras.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:36 PM

I'm being interviewed tomorrow

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

The fuging Beane...