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darin gantt "Panthers keep finding scapegoats, bigger problem remains"

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I go back to Steve Wilks.

Wilks was the guy Rivera really wanted for his DC when he first got here, but as I recall, the Chargers wouldn't give permission or something. Bottom line, we couldn't get him. Rivera kept Ron Meeks, but it wasn't who he really wanted.

A year later, Wilks' contract is up. Ron Meeks is let go and Rivera brings in the guy he really wanted to begin with.

There are guys with prior Rivera connections at all three coaching spots who are part of staffs currently in flux due to their head coach being fired. Won't surprise me if one or all of them wind up here. In the case of the receivers, you could also just see in-house assistant Ricky Proehl promoted (pretty sure fans would love that if it happened).

So like I said in another thread, before I make a judgment on the firing of these coaches, I wanna see who their replacements wind up being. If it turns out we get better guys, then I'm fine with that.

THIS.

Scapegoat crowd has an agenda IMO. Rivera simply could be going to get guys he wanted vs. keeping guys he settled for.

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I'm gonna start referring to Gantt rants as "Grantts" B)

Remember when people used to accuse him of being an ass kisser to the team?

he was an ass kisser

apparently some shuffling of priviliges has taken place and Gantt got snubbed. good for him to take someone, anyone to the carpet.

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he was an ass kisser

apparently some shuffling of priviliges has taken place and Gantt got snubbed. good for him to take someone, anyone to the carpet.

meh, Gantt just clearly took a seat on the Rivera should go bandwagon awhile back.....that opinion is all over his Panther reporting.

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meh, Gantt just clearly took a seat on the Rivera should go bandwagon awhile back.....that opinion is all over his Panther reporting.

ahh, i don't read him. never liked him cuz he seemed like such an ass kissing, injury blaming, Panthers org. mouthpiece.

shame. I thought he finally grew a pair.

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You obviously have an axe to grind as well. You wanted Rivera gone and now blame him for everything happening. Fine.

But going back and forth seems useless. You and I obviously are working on different assumptions about the team and coaches. Nothing I say will change your mind so I won't waste my time.

No, I don't have an axe to grind. I find it hilarious that when anyone doesn't take the company line from our front office that they are "bitter" or have an "axe to grind."

As with anything, there are two sides of the argument here between you and I... Odds are the truth lies somewhere in between.

I was just elaborating on my point P55, because you asked for an explanation of why I thought what I did or felt what I felt about the situation. So, I explained it. But, then you continued to insinuate that I was being irrational or speaking purely out of emotion because my stance didn't jibe with yours.

It's fine to disagree. I appreciate your posts and perspective. But, I don't like feeling like someone is being condescending towards my view when it is just as grounded or as far-fetched as theirs depending on how you view it. I don't see anything that differentiates my opinion from yours as far as what it is based on, we just differ on the opinion itself.

No big deal, and if you don't want to debate it, that's understandable... I'd just prefer you didn't write it off as irrational or emotion-based because you don't agree with it, because it isn't.

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i don't have anything to add to this and i don't even agree with a lot of it. i just thought it should appear again.

Rayzor, problems with the Huddle network caused multiple posts.

You have your opinions and I have mine, Its ok to not agree.

Kelly will get his chance. It will be interesting to see what he does with it.

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No, I don't have an axe to grind. I find it hilarious that when anyone doesn't take the company line from our front office that they are "bitter" or have an "axe to grind."

As with anything, there are two sides of the argument here between you and I... Odds are the truth lies somewhere in between.

I was just elaborating on my point P55, because you asked for an explanation of why I thought what I did or felt what I felt about the situation. So, I explained it. But, then you continued to insinuate that I was being irrational or speaking purely out of emotion because my stance didn't jibe with yours.

It's fine to disagree. I appreciate your posts and perspective. But, I don't like feeling like someone is being condescending towards my view when it is just as grounded or as far-fetched as theirs depending on how you view it. I don't see anything that differentiates my opinion from yours as far as what it is based on, we just differ on the opinion itself.

No big deal, and if you don't want to debate it, that's understandable... I'd just prefer you didn't write it off as irrational or emotion-based because you don't agree with it, because it isn't.

Get out of here with your rational, polite debate. This is America.

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Everybody can bicth and whine about Gantt being an idiot all day long but he is absolutely dead on. Perfect summary of the Panthers situation. The problem is Jerry Richardson is largely clueless about how to construct a winning team. A good businessman does not necessarily make for an owner of winning NFL franchise. It's been proven over and over and over.

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No, I don't have an axe to grind. I find it hilarious that when anyone doesn't take the company line from our front office that they are "bitter" or have an "axe to grind."

As with anything, there are two sides of the argument here between you and I... Odds are the truth lies somewhere in between.

I was just elaborating on my point P55, because you asked for an explanation of why I thought what I did or felt what I felt about the situation. So, I explained it. But, then you continued to insinuate that I was being irrational or speaking purely out of emotion because my stance didn't jibe with yours.

It's fine to disagree. I appreciate your posts and perspective. But, I don't like feeling like someone is being condescending towards my view when it is just as grounded or as far-fetched as theirs depending on how you view it. I don't see anything that differentiates my opinion from yours as far as what it is based on, we just differ on the opinion itself.

No big deal, and if you don't want to debate it, that's understandable... I'd just prefer you didn't write it off as irrational or emotion-based because you don't agree with it, because it isn't.

But you do have an axe to grind and your logic doesn't make sense to me at all. You are free to call it condescending if you prefer but the fact is that if you are going to criticize the staff and coaches then the onus of proof is on you. And I see very little in your argument that bears any resemblance to facts just your speculation of what happened. Unlike my posts which don't have conspiracy theories like scapegoating and the like. I believe he fired him because he didn't like some aspect of how they coached and wants an upgrade. To me that is a whole lot easier to defend then making up some conspiracy theory that he had to fire people to make it look like he doing something right and that he was just trying to protect Chud. And I don't agree that the position coaches were doing such a good job that he sacrificed them but let others stay for no good reason.

So forgive me for not wanting to debate back and forth, I just see very little in your argument that rings close to the truth for me. Maybe it is me but I didn't believe other conspiracy theories like the world was going to end on December 21st either. So it isn't not wanting to debate so much as there is nothing new you said that makes me think we need to keep debating. I don't think you are right and don't agree with any of your conclusions. What else is there to say.

I do respect your opinions but disagree with them. We can agree to disagree but unless your theories are confirmed it is all speculation. You are welcome to believe what ever you want, I am just not in agreement.

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"Teflon Ron"

That's some good, unbiased, objective based reporting there!

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