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#1 SZ James (banned)

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:46 PM

A short (9 minutes) youtube video for you all. Enjoy :)



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:10 PM

not bad. i think the key word was persuasion. being open to listening goes for both sides of the coin in the video. there may be times we can get evidence to come to a conclusion and there may be times we can not. in an ideal world, we have at our disposal all the facts and data lined up nice and neat and it allows us to make our decision.

transversely, there may be times nothing lines up the way we want and yet still we may need to make a decision.

no person is above the other for what they believe with or without evidence. to me, they are one and the same, they just have different perspectives.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:02 AM

I recognize this, i think I may have posted it a few years ago. Or maybe posted it somewhere else. It's rather good.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:08 AM

no person is above the other for what they believe with or without evidence.

Well that's just silly PC "everybody gets a trophy" crap. If you believe idiotic mumbo jumbo without evidence, you are below rational people.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

Lol nice

still very relevant

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:43 AM

so looking back at that thread, what happened to engine9? was that a Jase alt or what?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:42 AM

Using logical thinking as presented in this video is an extremely dangerous idea and would undermine many of America's bedrock beliefs. The only people in favor of this approach have an agenda to turn our country into a godless European socialist nirvana! (Note the narrator's European socialist accent to try and make him sound smarter.) This video should be banned and anyone that disagrees with me should be banned too! It is just another example of the never ending "War on Baseless Beliefs". Beware, using logic and facts is a slippery slope! Before you know it, Obama will be forcing your children to learn the metric system!

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:47 AM

Well that's just silly PC "everybody gets a trophy" crap. If you believe idiotic mumbo jumbo without evidence, you are below rational people.


it's that same bullshit people pull in every discussion of "controversial" science such as evolution and global warming (see: liek science is just a religion guys you believe in it the same way i believe dinosaur fossils were planted by god to test us and oh yeah have you seen that banana video that totally disproves evolution)

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:07 AM

Their "unexplained" argument is flawed and misleading for a few reasons. In order for something to be "unexplained" it has to occur and/or exist outside conventional parameters of understanding and the laws we so far know to be true. That in itself makes such a thing "paranormal." If we knew inside and out how the universe worked, then it wouldn't be "unexplained" in the first place. And no, i'm not implying every unexplainable event is due to paranormal activity, but they on the other hand seem to be suggesting that there is no such thing as a paranormal event, period...which is quite close-minded.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:30 AM

While the methodology of science stands as the author of this video claims exists as he says, in practice, it does not really operate that way. In many circles of academia there is a very set of social influences/pressures to conform to conventional zeitgeist/whim. Thomas Kuhn has succintly written a few books denoting how the scientists fall prey to the very subject this video addresses.

Yet, when you mention paradigm shift to many in scientific circles, you will encounter severe resistance.

Another shift in how we understand science these days is the rise in theoretical advents that insist if an experiment fails to prove a theory, then the experiment must be flawed. Still trying to wrap my head around that one.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:39 AM

Their "unexplained" argument is flawed and misleading for a few reasons. In order for something to be "unexplained" it has to occur and/or exist outside conventional parameters of understanding and the laws we so far know to be true. That in itself makes such a thing "paranormal." If we knew inside and out how the universe worked, then it wouldn't be "unexplained" in the first place. And no, i'm not implying every unexplainable event is due to paranormal activity, but they on the other hand seem to be suggesting that there is no such thing as a paranormal event, period...which is quite close-minded.

If I understood the video correctly you are committing one of the common errors mentioned. The narrator would more likely say there is currently no proof that paranormal (supernatural) activity exists. If you could provide verifiable proof of paranormal activity, he would consider it and possibly change his position(that is being open minded). On the other hand, to accept paranormal activity without actual verifiable proof is failing to use your critical thinking skills and allows your head to be filled with nonsense(close minded). There is not a definitive explanation for everything that happens in the universe and likely never will be. That reality doesn't permit logical thinkers to just make up an answer to fill the void. Sometimes the best answer possible is "we don't yet know". http://youtu.be/KayBys8gaJY

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:30 AM

so looking back at that thread, what happened to engine9? was that a Jase alt or what?


I wish!

He needs to come back...