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SZ James (banned)

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Their "unexplained" argument is flawed and misleading for a few reasons. In order for something to be "unexplained" it has to occur and/or exist outside conventional parameters of understanding and the laws we so far know to be true. That in itself makes such a thing "paranormal." If we knew inside and out how the universe worked, then it wouldn't be "unexplained" in the first place. And no, i'm not implying every unexplainable event is due to paranormal activity, but they on the other hand seem to be suggesting that there is no such thing as a paranormal event, period...which is quite close-minded.

If I understood the video correctly you are committing one of the common errors mentioned. The narrator would more likely say there is currently no proof that paranormal (supernatural) activity exists. If you could provide verifiable proof of paranormal activity, he would consider it and possibly change his position(that is being open minded). On the other hand, to accept paranormal activity without actual verifiable proof is failing to use your critical thinking skills and allows your head to be filled with nonsense(close minded). There is not a definitive explanation for everything that happens in the universe and likely never will be. That reality doesn't permit logical thinkers to just make up an answer to fill the void. Sometimes the best answer possible is "we don't yet know".

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so looking back at that thread, what happened to engine9? was that a Jase alt or what?

I wish!

He needs to come back...

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What's ironic is the confirmation bias of those that are on the side of evidence here. You tell me that I have to have evidence before I believe something is true.

So in another thread about global warming the evidence to support your stance starts in 1895. But I'm the one who believes in mumbo jumbo? Hahahaha

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You tell me that I have to have evidence before I believe something is true.

Well yeah.

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What's ironic is the confirmation bias of those that are on the side of evidence here. You tell me that I have to have evidence before I believe something is true.

So in another thread about global warming the evidence to support your stance starts in 1895. But I'm the one who believes in mumbo jumbo? Hahahaha

You don't have to. Most people are that way. I personally don't have much respect for people that are in a habit of doing such a thing. They are thoughtless people and incapable of having meaningful conversation.

Oh yeah I have some land for sale. It contains an enormous amount if diamonds and oil. Give me 10k and its yours. You beleive me right.

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If I understood the video correctly you are committing one of the common errors mentioned. The narrator would more likely say there is currently no proof that paranormal (supernatural) activity exists. If you could provide verifiable proof of paranormal activity, he would consider it and possibly change his position(that is being open minded). On the other hand, to accept paranormal activity without actual verifiable proof is failing to use your critical thinking skills and allows your head to be filled with nonsense(close minded). There is not a definitive explanation for everything that happens in the universe and likely never will be. That reality doesn't permit logical thinkers to just make up an answer to fill the void. Sometimes the best answer possible is "we don't yet know".

Haha yea i'm not buying the logic behind that explaination. Being that we are very limited beings (in our perspectives and interactions with the energy that makes up the light, matter, and antimatter that is all around us), and do not have all the answers to the universe, the planet, and our existance, means that there are going to be things and occurances that we do not understand, and will never understand unless we evolve in those areas.

And wouldnt the fact that if something happens outside our box of understanding automatically make it supernatural, or at least a candidate for it? And who gets to be the judge on what is considered proof versus what is not? I'd say its very close-minded, and not exactly rational to discount the possibility of paranormal activity across the board, especially when our senses, perception, and awareness in the general scheme of things is so low. Not to mention, it is very arrogant (and naive) to say that there is no such thing as supernatural phenomena when we know that we have nowhere near a complete understanding on things.

Their arguments dont make sense, and seem to exist on a very shallow level of critical thinking.

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Haha yea i'm not buying the logic behind that explaination. Being that we are very limited beings (in our perspectives and interactions with the energy that makes up the light, matter, and antimatter that is all around us), and do not have all the answers to the universe, the planet, and our existance, means that there are going to be things and occurance that we do not understand, and will never understand unless we evolve in those areas. Anything we do not undertand by default is going to be paranormal...and we should suggest such occurance being that we have no where near a complete understanding of things.

And wouldnt the fact that if something happens outside our box of understanding automatically make it supernatural, or at least a candidate for it? And who gets to be the judge on what is considered proof versus what is not? I'd say its very close-minded, and not exactly rational to discount the possibility of paranormal activity across the board, especially when our senses, perception, and awareness in the general scheme of things is so low. Not to mention, it is very arrogant (and naive) to say that there is no such thing as supernatural phenomena when we know that we have nowhere near a complete understanding on things.

Their arguments dont make sense, and seem to exist on a very shallow level of critical thinking.

So do you consider lightning and thunder as supernatural and paranormal to this day or do you consider it something else now since humans understand it?

Maybe I don't understand what you're getting at but it seems your thinking here is very flawed.

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So do you consider lightning and thunder as supernatural and paranormal to this day or do you consider it something else now since humans understand it?

Maybe I don't understand what you're getting at but it seems your thinking here is very flawed.

No I wouldnt, and i'm pretty sure my logic is not flawed. To me, "supernatural" is something that exists outside conventional knowledge and the parameters in which we measure the universe and everything in it. Once something is explained, it no longer becomes a supernatural phenomena. Being that we as a species have very limited senses and awareness, there are going to be a ton of things that we cannot explain, hence its being supernatural. As I stated earlier...to suggest across the board that paranormal occurances are not possible, when we have a very minimal understanding of the world in the first place, isnt a very logical route...and is arrogantly close-minded.

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As I stated earlier...to suggest across the board that paranormal occurances are not possible, when we have a very minimal understanding of the world in the first place, isnt a very logical route...and is arrogantly close-minded.

Wasn't that exact thing covered in the video?

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Wasn't that exact thing covered in the video?

As far as I understood, is the video was essentially implying that there is no such thing as a paranormal event...and just because something is unexplained, it simply means no more than that it is unexplained...whatever that means, haha.

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