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[Johnny Rockets]

As the year went on, they gradually moved away from the read-option and ran more plays with Newton under center. It was indeed more effective.

So why the 99% hate on Chud now when a exactly a year ago these same people were willing to give up their first born in order to keep him here in Carolina?

I know the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" type thing, but lately he was really turning things around right? He took a lot of heat early on when people were getting sick of the same old thing and rightfully so, but maybe that wasn't all on him.

Next year at this time this place will be filled with "Hey guys...Sign my petition to help keep Chud in Carolina" threads.

[Mr. Scot]

So why the 99% hate on Chud now when a exactly a year ago these same people were willing to give up their first born in order to keep him here in Carolina?

I know the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" type thing, but lately he was really turning things around right? He took a lot of heat early on when people were getting sick of the same old thing and rightfully so, but maybe that wasn't all on him.

Next year at this time this place will be filled with "Hey guys...Sign my petition to help keep Chud in Carolina" threads.

Because when we lose, people have to blame somebody. Whether or not that blame actually falls on the right people is inconsequential.

Mind you, I think moving to more read option based looks was an error, but I'm not in the crowd that wants to burn Chudzinski at the stake.

[Scrumtrilescent]

I've always thought Chud is a really good play architect/schemer...but lacks the ability to feel the flow of a game and properly call one from beginning to end.

[Marguide]

So why the 99% hate on Chud now when a exactly a year ago these same people were willing to give up their first born in order to keep him here in Carolina?

I know the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" type thing, but lately he was really turning things around right? He took a lot of heat early on when people were getting sick of the same old thing and rightfully so, but maybe that wasn't all on him.

Next year at this time this place will be filled with "Hey guys...Sign my petition to help keep Chud in Carolina" threads.

Here's why...starting with game 1 this year, Chud rolled out an offense very much different from what we ran the year prior. Far fewer 2 TE sets, a greater reliance on the read option, and almost no commitment to the running game. The result was a disaster. Now all of that is fine if you make the necessary changes in week 3 or 4, but that isn't what happened. Chud stuck to the same game plan until Hurney got fired and presumably was given orders by Rivera/JR to make the necessary changes. Suddenly, our offense began to click because we had a greater commitment to the run, we gave Newton more protection and used more 2 TE sets again, and ran more under center plays.

We feel that Chud's stubborn resistance to change something that clearly wasn't working is what cost us the playoffs. Had we started the year with much the same game plan as last year or made the necessary adjustments in a timely manner, most of us feel the results would have been far different. So we blame Chud, and by extension, Rivera (for not reeling Chud in sooner).

[Doc Holiday]

So why the 99% hate on Chud now when a exactly a year ago these same people were willing to give up their first born in order to keep him here in Carolina?

I know the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" type thing, but lately he was really turning things around right? He took a lot of heat early on when people were getting sick of the same old thing and rightfully so, but maybe that wasn't all on him.

Next year at this time this place will be filled with "Hey guys...Sign my petition to help keep Chud in Carolina" threads.y

exactly, another thing I can't quit figure out either is not only why the hate but considering the defense is the biggest reason we didnt make the playoffs and the offense was the reason we were in the hunt, why are they so mad at Chud and not McDermont?

If we look at it from a simply why we didn't make the playoffs point of view.

I know the offense didn't play as well as last season but there were many threads stating as much as why it wouldn't be before this season ever began

[rayzor]

I've always thought Chud is a really good play architect/schemer...but lacks the ability to feel the flow of a game and properly call one from beginning to end.

this and i imagine it would be a whole lot worse as a HC.

[Dxterity]

Please take him.

[Johnny Rockets]

Here's why...starting with game 1 this year, Chud rolled out an offense very much different from what we ran the year prior. Far fewer 2 TE sets, a greater reliance on the read option, and almost no commitment to the running game. The result was a disaster. Now all of that is fine if you make the necessary changes in week 3 or 4, but that isn't what happened. Chud stuck to the same game plan until Hurney got fired and presumably was given orders by Rivera/JR to make the necessary changes. Suddenly, our offense began to click because we had a greater commitment to the run, we gave Newton more protection and used more 2 TE sets again, and ran more under center plays.

We feel that Chud's stubborn resistance to change something that clearly wasn't working is what cost us the playoffs. Had we started the year with much the same game plan as last year or made the necessary adjustments in a timely manner, most of us feel the results would have been far different. So we blame Chud, and by extension, Rivera (for not reeling Chud in sooner).

Totally understandable and very well stated, but how do you know he wasn't told to "stick with it" and find a way to make it work until the powers that be realized it wasn't going to work and gave him the ok to move on from it. I am not saying that was the case and your scenario is more plausible but the other is certainly possible.

Whatever the reason was, whether it was his stubborness to change and admit it was not working or something else, changes were made and it started working just as it did last year. I can totally understand why some people dislike Chud for contributing to such a bad start but when 95% + of the people on here are praying that he leaves, I find that baffling. I think Chud leaving would be a step backward to the progress they were making.

[Johnny Rockets]

I've always thought Chud is a really good play architect/schemer...but lacks the ability to feel the flow of a game and properly call one from beginning to end.

I think the one's that can are few and far between and why people would think Norv Turner would be the answer to that is beyond me because he hasn't been good at that for two decades.

[Scrumtrilescent]

How about for 60% of the game? Not go balls to the wall when you need to eat the clock, and vice versa.

[MadHatter]

Don't think he'd take Clausen (Jimmy belongs on a WCO team).

Anderson's an interesting question though. I forget if he's a free agent.

Also gotta wonder if he'd want to trade for one of our runningbacks.

If he went to Cleveland, I doubt he would trade for one of our RB's.....they have Richardson.

[catfang]

How about for 60% of the game? Not go balls to the wall when you need to eat the clock, and vice versa.

And run the goddamn stupid ass wildcat with DeAngelo. I hope I never see that crap again. Doesn't fool anyboddy.

[rayzor]

Here's why...starting with game 1 this year, Chud rolled out an offense very much different from what we ran the year prior. Far fewer 2 TE sets, a greater reliance on the read option, and almost no commitment to the running game. The result was a disaster. Now all of that is fine if you make the necessary changes in week 3 or 4, but that isn't what happened. Chud stuck to the same game plan until Hurney got fired and presumably was given orders by Rivera/JR to make the necessary changes. Suddenly, our offense began to click because we had a greater commitment to the run, we gave Newton more protection and used more 2 TE sets again, and ran more under center plays.

We feel that Chud's stubborn resistance to change something that clearly wasn't working is what cost us the playoffs. Had we started the year with much the same game plan as last year or made the necessary adjustments in a timely manner, most of us feel the results would have been far different. So we blame Chud, and by extension, Rivera (for not reeling Chud in sooner).

this.

point blank, he tried to fix what didn't need fix and ended up making it something that needed fixed and took way too long to fix it. this was on him and rivera. if the players can't execute what you want to do, do something else that they can execute. it's not that difficult if you're more interested in winning than proving you can come up with innovative schemes.

and the offense was a huge part in us not getting to the playoffs this year. they just flat didn't get enough points on the board. they were pathetic in that regard for most of the season. the defense struggled, esp. late, but the offense didn't give the cushion the defense should have had. there's no reason that this offense shouldn't be able to put up 25+ points per game and we weren't.

[Johnny Rockets]

How about for 60% of the game? Not go balls to the wall when you need to eat the clock, and vice versa.

I added something to my earlier post....why the Hell would people think Norv Turner is the answer to consistant play calling and adjusting to the flow of a game? He hasn't shown anything that he can do that in 20 years. He certainly can't sustain anything for an entire season. He may be the king of inconsistancy.

[rayzor]

who would the "powers that be" be? hurney? rivera? JR?

Totally understandable and very well stated, but how do you know he wasn't told to "stick with it" and find a way to make it work until the powers that be realized it wasn't going to work and gave him the ok to move on from it. I am not saying that was the case and your scenario is more plausible but the other is certainly possible.

Whatever the reason was, whether it was his stubborness to change and admit it was not working or something else, changes were made and it started working just as it did last year. I can totally understand why some people dislike Chud for contributing to such a bad start but when 95% + of the people on here are praying that he leaves, I find that baffling. I think Chud leaving would be a step backward to the progress they were making.