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#136 thatlookseasy

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:16 AM

This is a pretty obvious reason the team is in cap trouble. Nobody else in the NFL spends nearly as much as the Panthers on RBs, and no team is going to trade for either back because of Stewart's injury history and Deangelo's age. At some point the team is gonna have to cut one of them for the cap space, if not this year then next year. Unless they want to skimp on other positions for a while

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:19 AM

Do you seem to forget that playing a larger % of snaps might have a lot to do with who Rivera thought was a better blocker in the pass game or a better pass receiver. You seem to constantly mix all kinds of numbers and stats together to make a point but rarely present an accurate or balanced approach. What does that have to do with Fox not running Stewart? Rivera ran Williams more than Stewart in 2011.

This ain't Fox ball..... Your point???

Offense was good in 2011 but it was a new system that teams hadn't seen before. Why assume we will do it every year?
Maybe you forgot that in 2012 our running game sucked while Stewart was getting his carries. It only blossomed when Rivera changed philosophies went to a power game and featured Williams. Maybe Rivera will change his mind and stick with Williams after 2012 given they have to win in 2013. I wouldn't count on Stewart.


Yes, as I said Stewart was more diverse and this isn't Foxball. Rivera wants Stewart over Williams bc he can do MORE.

and again, you are smart enough to know our run game blew chunks in 2012 bc our OL sucked.

Rivera doesn't need to worry about RBs. He needs to worry about his OL, D, and giving Cam a target for when 89 tweaks a hammy.

So, who you got us drafting....I'm tired of this. I like 99% of the topics you post on but we both know you and I will always be on opposite pages with our backfield.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:20 AM

Not missing anything.

Point I made was we were the best ground attack in the NFL in 2011 (historically good). We did so without leaning on any particular rusher......2011 supports the fact you don't need to primarily run 1
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Running Stewart 10 times a game won't wear him out.

Yeah, injuries happen and then can change your ideal scenarios and throw things out the window. You can work around that in your rush attack. No biggie if Stewart blows a tire and we have to adjust.....a bigger deal is if Smith blows a tire or some one at a more important position.

We simply built our roster wrong. Easy to find rushers if someone goes down....and we already have tons of talent unlike most teams if that happens. Need to worry about improving our roster and less about keeping this silly overload of talent in the backfield together


Williams ran the ball 155 times in 2011 and 173 times in 2012. Assuming that Newton stays the same and he should, and Tolbert gets similar to this year given we have only 1 year of data. How do you figure Stewart runs the ball 10 times a game for 160 attempts. Between the 2 of them they ran the ball
297 times in 2011. Stewart ran it 144 times by himself . If Stewart is the only one here he gets the majority of those carries. He has never carried the ball more than 221 times. And hasn't approached close to 200 carries under Rivera.

Where do you get your crazy math???

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:22 AM

I would have to imagine if Rivera's job is on the line he would want to go with D Will next year. Cant see him counting on Stewart.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:24 AM

Yes, as I said Stewart was more diverse and this isn't Foxball. Rivera wants Stewart over Williams bc he can do MORE.

and again, you are smart enough to know our run game blew chunks in 2012 bc our OL sucked.

Rivera doesn't need to worry about RBs. He needs to worry about his OL, D, and giving Cam a target for when 89 tweaks a hammy.

So, who you got us drafting....I'm tired of this. I like 99% of the topics you post on but we both know you and I will always be on opposite pages with our backfield.


Stewart was hurt this year and rather ineffective. Last year could have been a fluke, why base everything on that except it leans to your way of thinking. The OL wasn't good this year but who is to say it will be great next year either?? Stewart has never shown he can do it by himself and that is a fact.

If you are tired of this then stop posting. I bet you won't because you always need the last word.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:25 AM



Williams ran the ball 155 times in 2011 and 173 times in 2012. Assuming that Newton stays the same and he should, and Tolbert gets similar to this year given we have only 1 year of data. How do you figure Stewart runs the ball 10 times a game for 160 attempts. Between the 2 of them they ran the ball
297 times last year. Stewart ran it 144 times by himself last year. If Stewart is the only one here he gets the majority of those carries. He has never carried the ball more than 221 times. And hasn't approached close to 200 carries under Rivera.

Where do you your crazy math???


Math isn't crazy. I clearly said Tolbert would/should get a much bigger role if Williams left. Prior to coming here....he averaged the same type load Stewart/Williams had recieved the 2 prior seasons....and we bring in a cheap RB.

You think a Chud offense with Cam, Stewart, Tolbert AND a young cheap RB is going to put too big of a workload on a rusher? We will still be complaining they don't run them enough

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:26 AM

See P55's sig. :D

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:28 AM

If you are tired of this then stop posting. I bet you won't because you always need the last word.

I enjoy debating you...I give those I don't enjoy hearing there thoughts the last word.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

Yes, as I said Stewart was more diverse and this isn't Foxball. Rivera wants Stewart over Williams bc he can do MORE.


This has been a theme for you for much of the year. Everytime I see it, I wonder what are these things Stew can do that DWill can't?

Could you elaborate on that?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

This has been a theme for you for much of the year. Everytime I see it, I wonder what are these things Stew can do that DWill can't?

Could you elaborate on that?


It's the same arguement every time. Stewy is the better blocker, more consistent runner, and doesn't go down on first contact. Oh, and evidently he fits this offense better.

The only one of those that is true? He does get his positive yards. DWill does have those runs that stall quickly, but, with his speed and agility, any run can be an explosive play. Stewy, not so much.

Stewy used to be the better blocker, not so much anymore.

DWill does not go down on first contact, otherwise he wouldn't be running up the middle.

Tolbert is another Stewy. DWill is the change of pace. It would screw with the dynamics to get rid of DWill and not Stewy.

There is more to gain by letting DWill go financially. But he is a better option football wise.

CRA is just a Stewy fan. Can't hate him for that. But you ain't changing his mind on who we need to keep.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:16 AM

It's the same arguement every time.........


I'd like DWill, Stew and Tolbert a hellova lot more if they all weren't being given such a big slice of the Cap Pie.
Hate Hurney though, not these guys who had a fat contract shoved under their noses by an idiot GM.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:18 AM

What's with everyone saying Stewart can't hold up, yea he is dinged up at times, but who in the NFL isn't?

Before this season he had only missed a total of 2 games in 4 years

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:42 AM

CRA is just a Stewy fan. Can't hate him for that. But you ain't changing his mind on who we need to keep.

Just to be clear, when we paid Williams I supported parting with Stewart after 2011. My biggest soapbox was Carolina needed to pick a RB. Now, I always thought that should of been Stewart but once they paid Williams, Stewart should of not been kept.

I am a fan of paying 1 RB and that doesn't really even excite me. New scheme, Cam, Tolbert all those things just backed the fact Carolina just needed to pick one.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:27 AM

I read the first page and have not read where this thread went because I saw people trying to turn it into a pissing contest. Anybody who thinks the last 4 games of the season against some terrible defenses is a good measure to keep a 30+ year old RB needs to research the history of the running back in the NFL.

Invest in the offensive line and the RBs can be average. Do not forget, we have a QB and a FB who are our best 2 running backs.

We should not have a RB on a second contract. They are role players. Hurney's dumbest contract moves were the re-signing of Jake Delhomme, Charles Godfrey, and giving DW and Stew a ton of cash to split 25 carries a game. We literally had an idiot as our last GM.

Put the $$ into the offensive line and go with Tauren Poole and a 4th round rookie at RB. The numbers at RB will be the same as they have been or better than they were with "Double Trouble" (which is exactly what their contracts are).

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:20 AM

I read the first page and have not read where this thread went because I saw people trying to turn it into a pissing contest. Anybody who thinks the last 4 games of the season against some terrible defenses is a good measure to keep a 30+ year old RB needs to research the history of the running back in the NFL.

Invest in the offensive line and the RBs can be average. Do not forget, we have a QB and a FB who are our best 2 running backs.

We should not have a RB on a second contract. They are role players. Hurney's dumbest contract moves were the re-signing of Jake Delhomme, Charles Godfrey, and giving DW and Stew a ton of cash to split 25 carries a game. We literally had an idiot as our last GM.

Put the $$ into the offensive line and go with Tauren Poole and a 4th round rookie at RB. The numbers at RB will be the same as they have been or better than they were with "Double Trouble" (which is exactly what their contracts are).

If we're talking which back gives us the best bang for our buck you have to go with DWILL. Even though DWill is 29 he will last much longer than Stew as a feature back. It's well known Stew is injury prone and has been since we drafted him. He only has been healthy for as long as he has because he split carries with Dwill and Dwill got the majority over the years. The last time Dwill went on IR was because of a ankle sprain during a lame duck season. I'm pretty sure he could of came back later that year if the team was actually playing to win. I don't get why it's so hard for CRa and a few others to see that Dwill is way more explosive. The only reason his numbers are so low is because of his limited number of carries per game, dumb play calls and poor o-line. CRA acts like Jstew has been rushing over 100 yards a game all season. I also don't downplay Dwills last game because it was against the worst D in the league. I dont feel like researching, but can anyone tell me how many other backs rushed for over 200 yards against them this season?


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