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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

I am counting him as part of the rushing attack.

Considering he has accounted for 32% of our rushing yardage and 46% of our rushing TDs under Rivera.....yeah, he is a factor. yes, it should be assumed Newton will account for about 25% of our rush attempts next year (which would be down for him).

Mike Tolbert rushed the ball 303 times his two years prior to coming here. Which was more than Williams and only 17 less than Stewart in the same window. So yes, Tolbert has proven he can carry a much larger workload than he had last year in Carolina.

And again, no one would carry the load.....they all are parts of the rush attack. Adrian Peterson carries the load.....On a Cam, Tolbert, Stewart, Cheap RB team that Chud calls....no one has to be able to carry the load. There aren't that many carries to go around...I think those runners can handle 8 carries a game, per person.....and all hold up pretty well


You are all over the place using all kind of mixed stats from different teams to make your case. Lets look at Newton. First of all running on a designed carry is not the same as running to avoid a sack. Both are not part of the running game just designed runs. He had 4 games where he ran more than 10 times and not all of those were designed runs. So really you can only count on 5-8 designed runs by Newton. Stewart has had issues running very often and even with Stewart out, Tolbert got around 8-10 carries. Just because Tolbert ran a lot in San Diego doesn't mean he will do the same here. He surely didn't look much like the guy in San Diego last year. He couldn't catch a cold for us and his running wasn't exactly elusive. BTW, of all these cheap running backs, which has worked out over the years?? Goodson? Sutton??

All I can say is if I had to win in 2013 and I had to have a running game. I surely wouldn't do it your way.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

he has been healthy every year but this year and only missed 2 games prior to this year. People keep saying this while completely ignoring DWill is that guy.


Stewart missed games even when he has been lightly used. If he gets double the carries he won't last 8 games.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:52 PM

Stewart missed games even when he has been lightly used. If he gets double the carries he won't last 8 games.


yet to be seen, but what we have seen, prior to this year, 2 games missed.


what we can also include are the statements made like DWill/Tolbert would be a much better option since the same can be said for DWill's actual injury history over the years..

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:56 PM

You are all over the place using all kind of mixed stats from different teams to make your case. Lets look at Newton. First of all running on a designed carry is not the same as running to avoid a sack. Both are not part of the running game just designed runs. He had 4 games where he ran more than 10 times and not all of those were designed runs. So really you can only count on 5-8 designed runs by Newton. Stewart has had issues running very often and even with Stewart out, Tolbert got around 8-10 carries. Just because Tolbert ran a lot in San Diego doesn't mean he will do the same here. He surely didn't look much like the guy in San Diego last year. He couldn't catch a cold for us and his running wasn't exactly elusive. BTW, of all these cheap running backs, which has worked out over the years?? Goodson? Sutton??

All I can say is if I had to win in 2013 and I had to have a running game. I surely wouldn't do it your way.


I've skipped most of this thread because I know how the rest of it was going to continue after page 3 or 4.. however, I have to say Goodson, aside from his fumbles, was a legit RB.. It's a shame that didn't work out..

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:57 PM

as far as age goes T.O. proved to me that some athletes bodies don't age as fast as others i like stew but he is on the injury prone side, but to be honest the value of both stew and d will have dropped post delhome era, it's just a new philosophy that will not allow even AP to get over a 1000 yards. the bottom line is both rb's still can ball i hate to say it but with cam here neither will ever have 1000 yard seasons

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

yet to be seen, but what we have seen, prior to this year, 2 games missed.


More germaine he has missed 9 games in the past 5 years and that is starting only 19 games during that span. Meanwhile Williams has missed 10 games in the past 5 years all in 2010 and started 49 games during that period. He has been more durable as a starter over the same period.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

More germaine he has missed 9 games in the past 5 years and that is starting only 19 games during that span. Meanwhile Williams has missed 10 games in the past 5 years all in 2010 and started 49 games during that period. He has been more durable as a starter over the same period.


Actually DWill has missed 13 games to Stewarts 9... and let's skip past this "games started" talk and get a little more relevant when you compare Attempts..

with that said, I just find it funny people have actually stated they would rather have DWill/Tolbert over Stewart/Tolbert, because Stewart gets hurt a lot..

Prior to this year, Stewart missed 2 games and played through pain.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:26 AM

Good observation but Stewart hasn't run a lot of carries because foxy knew he wouldn't hold up. For steaks to stay in pain while getting a lot less carries is saying it all in itself.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

Anyone who watched the Panthers over the past few years should notice Stewart is just more efficient overall than Williams. It's fun to throw out stats and all, but if you watch the games, you'll notice that Stewart can GENERALLY make plays in spite of poor o-line play (I know he was pretty ineffective this season for the most part), while Williams generally needs good blocking to make something happen. Do you guys not remember the article posted (I think it was from PFF) that showed Stewart as the most elusive back in the entire league last season? No other back broke more tackles than him. Meanwhile, it seems Williams oftentimes goes down on first contact, which many of you have pointed out but seem to have forgotten after the last few games of the season. Williams benefited from better o-line play near the end of the season, which opened up more holes for him to use his burst. Williams may be more explosive, but I'll take the more elusive hard-nosed running back every time...just look at what has happened to Chris Johnson in Tennessee. He'll break out the big run every so often, which detracts from the 15 no-gains he gets prior to that. When facing a 3rd and short, do you want the back who can consistently get you 5-6 yards a carry? Or do you want to cross your fingers that your back will either break off a long run, or more realistically, get stuffed short of the first down? For much of the season, Williams (like Chris Johnson) just hasn't looked decisive in hitting those holes which results in all those stuffs.

Stewart hasn't looked too good to me this season (after being declared the starter), but I'm inclined to think that was a result of playing hurt. I know what Stewart is capable of...whereas I know what Williams WAS capable of, but I'm just not so sure anymore.

And for all those people talking about Stewart being injury-prone, get real...before this season he had missed a whopping TWO games in his first 4 years. He may have nagging injuries throughout the season, but that obviously hasn't been keeping him from playing at an exceptional level.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

he has been healthy every year but this year and only missed 2 games prior to this year. People keep saying this while completely ignoring DWill is that guy.


Just dont see your absolute conclusion here.
In 7 years DWill has averaged missing 2.3 games per year.
In 5 years Stew has averaged missing 1.8 games per year.
Half a game per year makes DWill "that guy"?

Stewart has been fragile his entire career.

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Stewart's plight has been unique -- and the source of plenty of ribbing from his coaches and teammates. Although he's never missed a regular-season game and has racked up big numbers and records in his first two NFL seasons paired with fellow running back DeAngelo Williams, foot problems have kept him out of every offseason workout for three years.
Stewart missed April's minicamp, June's optional workouts and the first 19 practices of training camp as he recovered from offseason surgery. He was cleared minutes before Saturday's workout.
"He was carrying his helmet and I got a little excited," coach John Fox said.
Added center Ryan Kalil: "It was awesome. I tried to slow-clap but nobody jumped in with me."
Stewart has taken the teasing in stride, but his injury has caused him plenty of concern because he hasn't been pain-free since late in the 2007 season, when he hurt his right big toe in his final college season at Oregon.
He underwent surgery on the toe and missed every offseason workout after being the 13th pick in the 2008 draft. Despite setting a franchise rookie record with 836 yards rushing, he developed pain in his left foot that he says was an offshoot of overcompensating for his toe.
He played all 16 games last season and rushed for a team-best 1,133 yards, but was in constant pain and rarely practiced more than once a week. He underwent surgery to "clean up" the area between his Achilles tendon and heel in January.


Extreme caution moving forward and be ready for disappointment if the every day load is handed Stew's way.


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