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#111 CRA

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

we are not Denver or the patriots so for you to think 8.carries for a running back is going to win us games proves that you are nuts.


Amos before I laugh myself to sleep from this, you are willing to lay Stewart his contract for 8 carries, lol? What's that's $100k per carry?


lol...

2011 - viewed by some as a top 3 rush attack in NFL history. #1 in ypc in 2011 with the most TDs.

Stewart averaged 8 carries per game
Williams 9 carries per game
Newton 7 carries per game

That is in the books. Crazy, huh?

The fact they are drastically overpaid for the carries we have available is the issue. For a RB to earn his check in this offense....one must go

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:33 AM

Actually DWill has missed 13 games to Stewarts 9... and let's skip past this "games started" talk and get a little more relevant when you compare Attempts..

with that said, I just find it funny people have actually stated they would rather have DWill/Tolbert over Stewart/Tolbert, because Stewart gets hurt a lot..


Those 13 games were in 7 years versus Stewart's 5 years. So that is why I used the same time frame.
If you compare attempts it is the same. Stewart has missed only one less game but has 100 fewer attempts.

Williams in the past 5 years has carried the ball 904 times in the past 5 years and missed 10 games.
Stewart has carried the ball 818 times in the past five years and missed 9 games. Williams ran the ball a hundred more times and missed 1 more game. More starts, more attempts with similar missed games. That is why people think Williams is more durable. Plus he is a more explosive home run hitter.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

Anyone who watched the Panthers over the past few years should notice Stewart is just more efficient overall than Williams.


Let's compare apples to apples.
Since 2008 DWill has averaged 5.0 YPC, Stewart 4.7 YPC.
So Dwill is more efficient.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

Those 13 games were in 7 years versus Stewart's 5 years. So that is why I used the same time frame.
If you compare attempts it is the same. Stewart has missed only one less game but has 100 fewer attempts.

Williams in the past 5 years has carried the ball 904 times in the past 5 years and missed 10 games.
Stewart has carried the ball 818 times in the past five years and missed 9 games. Williams ran the ball a hundred more times and missed 1 more game. More starts, more attempts with similar missed games. That is why people think Williams is more durable. Plus he is a more explosive home run hitter.


Williams also missed 3 games in 2009.. 13 in 4 years..

so he ran the ball 100 more times and got injured 4 extra games.. Sounds about right.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

How about we just cut both of them since neither of them have performed to the level of their pay.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:40 AM

When facing a 3rd and short, do you want the back who can consistently get you 5-6 yards a carry? Or do you want to cross your fingers that your back will either break off a long run, or more realistically, get stuffed short of the first down?


That's why we have Tolbert.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:41 AM

lol...

2011 - viewed by some as a top 3 rush attack in NFL history. #1 in ypc in 2011 with the most TDs.

Stewart averaged 8 carries per game
Williams 9 carries per game
Newton 7 carries per game

That is in the books. Crazy, huh?

The fact they are drastically overpaid for the carries we have available is the issue. For a RB to earn his check in this offense....one must go


That was total yards which is based on yards per carry not attempts. We were 14th in carries which is what you are referencing. You can't assume we would do that well every year and this year shows that what we did in 2011 may be a fluke. Our yards per carry were lower by everyone you mentioned in your post by quite a bit.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:41 AM

Good observation but Stewart hasn't run a lot of carries because foxy knew he wouldn't hold up. For steaks to stay in pain while getting a lot less carries is saying it all in itself.

For the record, from 2008-2010 ( Double Trouble under Fox)

Stewart had more rush attempts than Williams


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:42 AM

Williams also missed 3 games in 2009.. 13 in 4 years..


You may remember DWill was put on IR that year after week 13 with a sprained ankle becasue the Panthers were 5-8 and out of Playoff contention early once again.
Stewart was given the opportunity to match the 1100 yards Dwill had already put in the books for one bright spot in another dismal season.
I recall the talk being DWill could have stayed active but there was no point. Trivial yes, but relevant since we're nitpicking games missed.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:42 AM

You may remember DWill was put on IR that year after week 13 with a sprained ankle becasue the Panthers were 5-8 and out of Playoff contention early once again.
Stewart was given the opportunity to match the 1100 yards Dwill had already put in the books for one bright spot in another dismal season.
I recall the talk being DWill could have stayed active but there was no point. Trivial yes, but relevant since we're nitpicking games missed.


Just dont see your absolute conclusion here.
In 7 years DWill has averaged missing 2.3 games per year.
In 5 years Stew has averaged missing 1.8 games per year.
Half a game per year makes DWill "that guy"?

Stewart has been fragile his entire career.

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Extreme caution moving forward and be ready for disappointment if the every day load is handed Stew's way.


how can you say DWill isn't the guy when the guy you're saying is fragile is comparable.. Yet only getting older and missed more games in the last 4 years than the younger fella..


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