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[panthers55]

yet to be seen, but what we have seen, prior to this year, 2 games missed.

More germaine he has missed 9 games in the past 5 years and that is starting only 19 games during that span. Meanwhile Williams has missed 10 games in the past 5 years all in 2010 and started 49 games during that period. He has been more durable as a starter over the same period.

[bleys]

More germaine he has missed 9 games in the past 5 years and that is starting only 19 games during that span. Meanwhile Williams has missed 10 games in the past 5 years all in 2010 and started 49 games during that period. He has been more durable as a starter over the same period.

Actually DWill has missed 13 games to Stewarts 9... and let's skip past this "games started" talk and get a little more relevant when you compare Attempts..

with that said, I just find it funny people have actually stated they would rather have DWill/Tolbert over Stewart/Tolbert, because Stewart gets hurt a lot..

Prior to this year, Stewart missed 2 games and played through pain.

[ThunderKatt]

Good observation but Stewart hasn't run a lot of carries because foxy knew he wouldn't hold up. For steaks to stay in pain while getting a lot less carries is saying it all in itself.

[MasterAwesome]

Anyone who watched the Panthers over the past few years should notice Stewart is just more efficient overall than Williams. It's fun to throw out stats and all, but if you watch the games, you'll notice that Stewart can GENERALLY make plays in spite of poor o-line play (I know he was pretty ineffective this season for the most part), while Williams generally needs good blocking to make something happen. Do you guys not remember the article posted (I think it was from PFF) that showed Stewart as the most elusive back in the entire league last season? No other back broke more tackles than him. Meanwhile, it seems Williams oftentimes goes down on first contact, which many of you have pointed out but seem to have forgotten after the last few games of the season. Williams benefited from better o-line play near the end of the season, which opened up more holes for him to use his burst. Williams may be more explosive, but I'll take the more elusive hard-nosed running back every time...just look at what has happened to Chris Johnson in Tennessee. He'll break out the big run every so often, which detracts from the 15 no-gains he gets prior to that. When facing a 3rd and short, do you want the back who can consistently get you 5-6 yards a carry? Or do you want to cross your fingers that your back will either break off a long run, or more realistically, get stuffed short of the first down? For much of the season, Williams (like Chris Johnson) just hasn't looked decisive in hitting those holes which results in all those stuffs.

Stewart hasn't looked too good to me this season (after being declared the starter), but I'm inclined to think that was a result of playing hurt. I know what Stewart is capable of...whereas I know what Williams WAS capable of, but I'm just not so sure anymore.

And for all those people talking about Stewart being injury-prone, get real...before this season he had missed a whopping TWO games in his first 4 years. He may have nagging injuries throughout the season, but that obviously hasn't been keeping him from playing at an exceptional level.

[Kevin Greene]

he has been healthy every year but this year and only missed 2 games prior to this year. People keep saying this while completely ignoring DWill is that guy.

Just dont see your absolute conclusion here.
In 7 years DWill has averaged missing 2.3 games per year.
In 5 years Stew has averaged missing 1.8 games per year.
Half a game per year makes DWill "that guy"?

Stewart has been fragile his entire career.

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Stewart's plight has been unique -- and the source of plenty of ribbing from his coaches and teammates. Although he's never missed a regular-season game and has racked up big numbers and records in his first two NFL seasons paired with fellow running back DeAngelo Williams, foot problems have kept him out of every offseason workout for three years.
Stewart missed April's minicamp, June's optional workouts and the first 19 practices of training camp as he recovered from offseason surgery. He was cleared minutes before Saturday's workout.
"He was carrying his helmet and I got a little excited," coach John Fox said.
Added center Ryan Kalil: "It was awesome. I tried to slow-clap but nobody jumped in with me."
Stewart has taken the teasing in stride, but his injury has caused him plenty of concern because he hasn't been pain-free since late in the 2007 season, when he hurt his right big toe in his final college season at Oregon.
He underwent surgery on the toe and missed every offseason workout after being the 13th pick in the 2008 draft. Despite setting a franchise rookie record with 836 yards rushing, he developed pain in his left foot that he says was an offshoot of overcompensating for his toe.
He played all 16 games last season and rushed for a team-best 1,133 yards, but was in constant pain and rarely practiced more than once a week. He underwent surgery to "clean up" the area between his Achilles tendon and heel in January.

Extreme caution moving forward and be ready for disappointment if the every day load is handed Stew's way.

[CRA]

we are not Denver or the patriots so for you to think 8.carries for a running back is going to win us games proves that you are nuts.


Amos before I laugh myself to sleep from this, you are willing to lay Stewart his contract for 8 carries, lol? What's that's $100k per carry?

lol...

2011 - viewed by some as a top 3 rush attack in NFL history. #1 in ypc in 2011 with the most TDs.

Stewart averaged 8 carries per game
Williams 9 carries per game
Newton 7 carries per game

That is in the books. Crazy, huh?

The fact they are drastically overpaid for the carries we have available is the issue. For a RB to earn his check in this offense....one must go

[panthers55]

Actually DWill has missed 13 games to Stewarts 9... and let's skip past this "games started" talk and get a little more relevant when you compare Attempts..

with that said, I just find it funny people have actually stated they would rather have DWill/Tolbert over Stewart/Tolbert, because Stewart gets hurt a lot..

Those 13 games were in 7 years versus Stewart's 5 years. So that is why I used the same time frame.
If you compare attempts it is the same. Stewart has missed only one less game but has 100 fewer attempts.

Williams in the past 5 years has carried the ball 904 times in the past 5 years and missed 10 games.
Stewart has carried the ball 818 times in the past five years and missed 9 games. Williams ran the ball a hundred more times and missed 1 more game. More starts, more attempts with similar missed games. That is why people think Williams is more durable. Plus he is a more explosive home run hitter.

[Kevin Greene]

Anyone who watched the Panthers over the past few years should notice Stewart is just more efficient overall than Williams.

Let's compare apples to apples.
Since 2008 DWill has averaged 5.0 YPC, Stewart 4.7 YPC.
So Dwill is more efficient.

[bleys]

Those 13 games were in 7 years versus Stewart's 5 years. So that is why I used the same time frame.
If you compare attempts it is the same. Stewart has missed only one less game but has 100 fewer attempts.

Williams in the past 5 years has carried the ball 904 times in the past 5 years and missed 10 games.
Stewart has carried the ball 818 times in the past five years and missed 9 games. Williams ran the ball a hundred more times and missed 1 more game. More starts, more attempts with similar missed games. That is why people think Williams is more durable. Plus he is a more explosive home run hitter.

Williams also missed 3 games in 2009.. 13 in 4 years..

so he ran the ball 100 more times and got injured 4 extra games.. Sounds about right.

[SmootsDaddy89]

How about we just cut both of them since neither of them have performed to the level of their pay.

[Marguide]

When facing a 3rd and short, do you want the back who can consistently get you 5-6 yards a carry? Or do you want to cross your fingers that your back will either break off a long run, or more realistically, get stuffed short of the first down?

That's why we have Tolbert.

[panthers55]

lol...

2011 - viewed by some as a top 3 rush attack in NFL history. #1 in ypc in 2011 with the most TDs.

Stewart averaged 8 carries per game
Williams 9 carries per game
Newton 7 carries per game

That is in the books. Crazy, huh?

The fact they are drastically overpaid for the carries we have available is the issue. For a RB to earn his check in this offense....one must go

That was total yards which is based on yards per carry not attempts. We were 14th in carries which is what you are referencing. You can't assume we would do that well every year and this year shows that what we did in 2011 may be a fluke. Our yards per carry were lower by everyone you mentioned in your post by quite a bit.

[CRA]

Good observation but Stewart hasn't run a lot of carries because foxy knew he wouldn't hold up. For steaks to stay in pain while getting a lot less carries is saying it all in itself.

For the record, from 2008-2010 ( Double Trouble under Fox)

Stewart had more rush attempts than Williams

[Kevin Greene]

Williams also missed 3 games in 2009.. 13 in 4 years..

You may remember DWill was put on IR that year after week 13 with a sprained ankle becasue the Panthers were 5-8 and out of Playoff contention early once again.
Stewart was given the opportunity to match the 1100 yards Dwill had already put in the books for one bright spot in another dismal season.
I recall the talk being DWill could have stayed active but there was no point. Trivial yes, but relevant since we're nitpicking games missed.

[bleys]

You may remember DWill was put on IR that year after week 13 with a sprained ankle becasue the Panthers were 5-8 and out of Playoff contention early once again.
Stewart was given the opportunity to match the 1100 yards Dwill had already put in the books for one bright spot in another dismal season.
I recall the talk being DWill could have stayed active but there was no point. Trivial yes, but relevant since we're nitpicking games missed.

Just dont see your absolute conclusion here.
In 7 years DWill has averaged missing 2.3 games per year.
In 5 years Stew has averaged missing 1.8 games per year.
Half a game per year makes DWill "that guy"?

Stewart has been fragile his entire career.

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Extreme caution moving forward and be ready for disappointment if the every day load is handed Stew's way.

how can you say DWill isn't the guy when the guy you're saying is fragile is comparable.. Yet only getting older and missed more games in the last 4 years than the younger fella..