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#31 rscott94

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

How crazy would it be if we were able to land Marc Ross (dreaming I know...)

I believe Harris is guy that most likely lands here to be our "Cap Guy"

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:13 PM

How crazy would it be if we were able to land Marc Ross (dreaming I know...)

I believe Harris is guy that most likely lands here to be our "Cap Guy"


That is not dreaming, that is very possible.

Ross knows Gettleman's age.


<Hey Ross, come over here>

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:17 PM

I go into that a bit above, but yes, I imagine they would. They've dealt with outside analysis before, and that's fine. I think that could become a standard in the same way that teams share scouting info from BLESTO or National Scouting. But some of that has to be crunched internally, proprietary information that you can't also get by having $30 worth of membership to PFF.

by the way, as a followup, the Giants' analytics guy is Joe Berger, director of football information. He was with the Knicks prior to the Giants, and it's not something that requires you to be a long-standing member of the football world.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

That is not dreaming, that is very possible.

Ross knows Gettleman's age.


<Hey Ross, come over here>


I don't see it... I'd gladly admit to being wrong though

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:24 PM

Seriously can we combo our Gettleman with a side of Ross?

That would be a coup so immense I can't think of anything that would metaphorically do the sheer immenseness of that justice to compare it to

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

Seriously can we combo our Gettleman with a side of Ross?

That would be a coup so immense I can't think of anything that would metaphorically do the sheer immenseness of that justice to compare it to


I would sht my pants tomorrow at work if I read this came true.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:34 PM

Outstanding work MrScot.

Damn, if I owned a business I would hire your ass.

BTW, you are Scottish, correct?


By heritage. Born and raised in West Virginia :lol:

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

By heritage. Born and raised in West Virginia :lol:


Edinburgh Scot here. Born in Georgia and raised in Georgia, Louisiana, California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, back to Texas, back to Cali, Colorado and now live in the great state of Norf Kakolaki.




















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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

Not arguing that other teams use more people than the panthers do, but obviously those websites just publicly list more positions than the panthers do. (The panthers have more than 1 athletic trainer for example). I'm sure there are plenty of scouts that work for the panthers and aren't listed just like other departments only list the directors.


I can give ya a quick "apples to apples" comparison of who they do list.

The Panthers list eight names under the heading of "Football Operations". The Giants list six. However, some of the titles the Panthers include under that umbrella are things like "video director, equipment manager, and head trainer." Not true "football people". Titles of that sort are listed in separate areas of the Giants directory.

Of the five names remaining, one is cap analyst Rob Rogers (official title: Director of Team Administration) and the other is Brandon Beane, whom we know from prior stories was actually a logistics guy.

That leaves only three true "football guys" (GM, Director of College Scouting and Director of Pro Scouting). By contrast, pretty much all of the titles listed by the Giants are football related. Add in that while we know College Scouting Director Don Gregory has people underneath him (around 8 or so based on what I've read and heard) Pro Scouting Director Mark Koncz is a staff of one. Go back to the Giants, look down the page a little and you'll see thirteen people listed with either pro or college scouting titles.

Worth noting that if you move down the list to the "Business Operations" department, there are eleven names listed. So eleven people paid to handle the business end of things, while less than half as many are assigned to manage the building of the team that generates that business.

And regarding that medical staff, Ryan Vermillion does indeed have an assistant trainer who isn't listed. If you browse down to the "medical" section of the Giants page, you'll find they have a staff of sixteen. That includes six team doctors, a team dentist and even a team neurosurgeon.

Bottom Line: It's an organizational structure that not well structured for the goal of producing a football team that can win a Super Bowl.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

Edinburgh Scot here. Born in Georgia and raised in Georgia, Louisiana, California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, back to Texas, back to Cali, Colorado and now live in the great state of Norf Kakolaki.

I have never worn a kilt.


Clan Douglas. Plan to order a kilt as soon as I have 600 dollars to set aside for that sort of thing :lol:

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

I can give ya a quick "apples to apples" comparison of who they do list.

The Panthers list eight names under the heading of "Football Operations". The Giants list six. However, some of the titles the Panthers include under that umbrella are things like "video director, equipment manager, and head trainer." Not true "football people". Titles of that sort are listed in separate areas of the Giants directory.

Of the five names remaining, one is cap analyst Rob Rogers (official title: Director of Team Administration) and the other is Brandon Beane, whom we know from prior stories was actually a logistics guy.

That leaves only three true "football guys" (GM, Director of College Scouting and Director of Pro Scouting). By contrast, pretty much all of the titles listed by the Giants are football related. Add in that while we know College Scouting Director Don Gregory has people underneath him (around 8 or so based on what I've read and heard) Pro Scouting Director Mark Koncz is a staff of one. Go back to the Giants, look down the page a little and you'll see thirteen people listed with either pro or college scouting titles.

Worth noting that if you move down the list to the "Business Operations" department, there are eleven names listed. So eleven people paid to handle the business end of things, while less than half as many are assigned to manage the building of the team that generates that business.

Bottom Line: It's an organizational structure that not well structured for the goal of producing a football team that can win a Super Bowl.

Koncz is technically a staff of two (Ken Dorsey as of last year) that I'm aware of.
He's got a point that the Giants list their guys, so you know. But, Carolina definitely underdoes it, whether they've hidden a guy or two or not .

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

Clan Douglas. Plan to order a kilt as soon as I have 600 dollars to set aside for that sort of thing :lol:



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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Post a pic on here and I give you rep and pie FOR LIFE!!


Someday :lol:

Koncz is technically a staff of two (Ken Dorsey as of last year) that I'm aware of.
He's got a point that the Giants list their guys, so you know. But, Carolina definitely underdoes it, whether they've hidden a guy or two or not .


Agreed.

Noticed the Giants actually employ a slightly larger coaching staff as well.

Edit: The Giants staff actually would have had another member that I didn't count, Gettleman. His name's no longer on the staff page.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:42 AM

for what it's worth, a user at TBR posted this full list of staff:



• Director of College Scouting – Don Gregory
• Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz
• Combine Scout – Matt Allen
• College Scout – Jeff Beathard
• College Scout – Khary Darlington
• College Scout – Robert Haines
• College Scout – John Peterson
• College Scout – Mike Szabo
• National Scout – Ryan Cowden
• National Scout – Jeff Morrow
• Pro Scout – Ken Dorsey
• Pro Scout – Don Warren
• Scouting Assistant – Eli Montague

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:49 AM

for what it's worth, a user at TBR posted this full list of staff:

• Director of College Scouting – Don Gregory
• Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz
• Combine Scout – Matt Allen
• College Scout – Jeff Beathard
• College Scout – Khary Darlington
• College Scout – Robert Haines
• College Scout – John Peterson
• College Scout – Mike Szabo
• National Scout – Ryan Cowden
• National Scout – Jeff Morrow
• Pro Scout – Ken Dorsey
• Pro Scout – Don Warren
• Scouting Assistant – Eli Montague


Thanks, Mags. Any idea where he got it?

Beathard I knew about. Dorsey I had forgotten.

The overall headcount is a little higher than I remember hearing of. My general perception was that the experience level among the souting department wasn't as high as it was with some other teams, but I couldn't verify that with absolute certainty.


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