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This question is for the smart huddler(s) like Mr. Scot and etc. JK, it's for everyone. I was wondering that with the new hiring of now and current GM Dave Gettleman, are we going to see a new life in who we brings in by FA or the Draft? I know JR played a huge role in not wanting Hurney to bring/draft any players with off field issue near the organization other than our very own 89, but does Gettleman get a bye with it? And also, does Gettleman have any past experience dealing with players with off the field problem?

I hope that with a new GM like Gettleman that we can look to all oppurtunity to bring in the most talented guys into this organization. I would love to know that Gettleman won't be passing on a player of Da'Rick Rogers caliber just bc of his previous problem. Gettleman, don't pass up on Da'Rick!

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Rogers won't be a Panther unless we take him in the 2nd round.

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Rae Carruth casts a very big shadow.
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I think JR will allow him to get dem thugs to play for us.

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Da'Rick should be the pick if he is still there when we pick in the second

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So where does Rogers rank on the thug meter, huddle?

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Talent should never be used as an excuse to overlook character. Doesn't matter how talented a guy is, if he's gonna eff up a locker room, don't bring him in
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I say we bring in every thug, convict, and degenerate possible. If it worked for Mean Machine, maybe it will work for us.

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1357802743' post='2087678']
Rae Carruth casts a very big shadow.
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I hear Jerry Richardson keeps one of his piss bottles in his office on top of the mahogany hutch on his desk in the office as a message to all the players

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[quote name='Miguel O'Hara 2.0' timestamp='1357807647' post='2087706']
Talent should never be used as an excuse to overlook character. Doesn't matter how talented a guy is, if he's gonna eff up a locker room, don't bring him in
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'Trouble' guys and 'bad character' guys aren't always necessarily one and the same. There are guys like Rolando McClain, who is a true goes back to his old hood every offseason or break he gets type guy, that gets into off field trouble [i]and[/i] causes locker room problems; then there are guys like Ray Lewis who got into pretty much the worst trouble possible, but is widely considered the best locker room guy of all time.

I like high character guys, but if a guy that's talented but has maybe made a couple off field mistakes as a kid is available, I hope our new regime will have the authority to start at least taking a closer look.

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After signing Shockey, wasn't JR quoted as saying he doesn't want 53 choir boys?

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[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1357805620' post='2087690']
So where does Rogers rank on the thug meter, huddle?
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He's not really a thug. I don't recall him getting in trouble off the field. His issue is the fact he's an absolute pain to deal with in the locker room. It's saying something when you are as talented as he is and still manage to get suspended for something that isn't related to getting in trouble with the law. Apparently was not liked at all in the locker room.

It'll really come down to interviews, so none of us will really know how teams feel about him until draft day. To be honest, I think his issues will be looked at more harshly than say someone who just gets caught with drugs. But I do think Rogers is extremely talented. Just nobody really knows what to expect from him and his personality.

I wouldn't mind him in the second if the team feels in interviews he's going to change but I will say I doubt it'll be long until problems arise between him and Smitty.

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We missed out on a player with a troubled past by one pick last year. It would've been interesting to see if Janoris was available would he have been our pick

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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1357818785' post='2087737']
We missed out on a player with a troubled past by one pick last year. It would've been interesting to see if Janoris was available would he have been our pick
[/quote]thinking the same thing.

lockerroom cancers should be avoided. that wasn't jenkins. people with a sketchy past who have gotten in trouble off the field shouldn't be ruled out outright. if they worked hard to improve their situation, like jenkins did, they should be seriously considered, esp. if the talent was there.

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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1357818785' post='2087737']
We missed out on a player with a troubled past by one pick last year. It would've been interesting to see if Janoris was available would he have been our pick
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Agreed.

I actually think that we would have pulled the trigger on him.

How sweet a draft of Keek and Jenkins would have been.
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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1357820523' post='2087752']
thinking the same thing.

lockerroom cancers should be avoided. that wasn't jenkins. people with a sketchy past who have gotten in trouble off the field shouldn't be ruled out outright. if they worked hard to improve their situation, like jenkins did, they should be seriously considered, esp. if the talent was there.
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Exactly.

Kid who got in trouble a few times early in his college career and then seemed to clean their acts up shoudl be in play.....gotta do your due diligence big time, but you can't discount them.

Idiots who just don't learn (keep getting in trouble time and time again)....stay away. They just don't get it.

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Don't know who pulled the trigger but the Giants got rid of Shockey and didn't resign Burris when he got out of prison. Who on their team is a questionable character guy??

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I have thought this for a while that the front office, the GM or JR or whoever, is worried more about having good people on the team rather than good players. Thats not a bad thing but it also mean u end up with alot of players past their prime or underperforming their contract rather than young guys who could do the job cheaper and better.
Deanglo is still a good player but i still never understood why he was given the contract he was when we had Stewart and Goodson on the team. TD was another contract that did not make sense from a personal perspective. But if you look at them as people it makes perfect sense. DW does all kinds of charity work and is a great spokesperson for the Panthers organization so does Davis. But is their another team in the NFL that would have given a 29 year old LB with 3 ACL tears a $30+ million contact. Maybe the radiers when Al was in charge but thats all I can think of.

JR grew up around in the south and I think its more of a cutural thing than anything. Alot of small southern business will hire good people over good workers or more qualified people. Trust me I have worked for a few and my dad owns one. Someone that may be more qualified or just better at the job might not get it if he is a bit of a asshole. The better person, nicer, friendler, just better to be around, will usually get the job. I have seen it happen many times in small companies.

JR kind of treats the Panthers like his little small business and until someone comes in and changes some things, like getting better players instead of better people, this is always going to be a medicore team.

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[quote name='bababoey' timestamp='1357832444' post='2087957']
I have thought this for a while that the front office, the GM or JR or whoever, is worried more about having good people on the team rather than god players. Thats not a bad thing but it also mean u end up with alot of players past their prime or underperforming their contract rather than young guys who could do the job cheaper and better.
Deanglo is still a good player but i still never understood why he was given the contract he was when we had Stewart and Goodson on the team. TD was another contract that did not make sense from a personal perspective. But if you look at them as people it makes perfect sense. DW does all kinds of charity work and is a great spokesperson for the Panthers organization so does Davis. But is their another team in the NFL that would have given a 29 year old LB with 3 ACL tears a $30+ million contact. Maybe the radiers when Al was in charge but thats all I can think of.

JR grew up around in the south and I think its more of a cutural thing than anything. Alot of small southern business will hire good people over good workers or more qualified people. Trust me I have worked for a few and my dad owns one. Someone that may be more qualified or just better at the job might not get it if he is a bit of a asshole. The better person, nicer, friendler, just better to be around, will usually get the job. I have seen it happen many times in small companies.

JR kind of treats the Panthers like his little small business and until someone comes in and changes some things, like getting better players instead of better people, this is always going to be a medicore team.
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Given how Davis worked out this year, you can argue that sticking with him was a good decision as long as we had backup. Plus keeping Williams was a good choice at the time. The contract and guaranteed money is another thing all together.

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[quote name='Miguel O'Hara 2.0' timestamp='1357807647' post='2087706']
Talent should never be used as an excuse to overlook character. Doesn't matter how talented a guy is, if he's gonna eff up a locker room, don't bring him in
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Ray Lewis is a friggin murderer and he is a great locker room influence. I don't think there's a link between being a low character scumbag and being a football leader- you need scumbags to win in this league.

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I think Gettleman should focus 100% on players who are "dat deal."

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What is the consensus amongst fans (not just Panther Fans) on Tyron Mattieu (I may have spelt that wrong!). When I first started to follow the sport I heard a lot about this player called 'the honeybadger' but this year I see he got into trouble and was booted out of his school/college team. Is he a player that will see his pick severely affected by off field issues and are his issues to do with attitude?

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[quote name='jgraham' timestamp='1357833033' post='2087974']
What is the consensus amongst fans (not just Panther Fans) on Tyron Mattieu (I may have spelt that wrong!). When I first started to follow the sport I heard a lot about this player called 'the honeybadger' but this year I see he got into trouble and was booted out of his school/college team. Is he a player that will see his pick severely affected by off field issues and are his issues to do with attitude?
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I think he just likes weed.

I'd take him in a heartbeat. Would instantly be our best DB.
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I look at a guy like Vontaze Burfict... he was deemed a trouble player... enough that EVERY team passed on him 7+ times.

He's now the best LB for the Bengals as a rookie, and hasn't been arrested or beat up a teammate. I think people make WAY too much of a player's past. Not everybody who gets in trouble in college is Pacman Jones.
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[quote name='jgraham' timestamp='1357833033' post='2087974']
What is the consensus amongst fans (not just Panther Fans) on Tyron Mattieu (I may have spelt that wrong!). When I first started to follow the sport I heard a lot about this player called 'the honeybadger' but this year I see he got into trouble and was booted out of his school/college team. Is he a player that will see his pick severely affected by off field issues and are his issues to do with attitude?
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Very overrated corner. Great return man. Sucks in coverage.

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