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#25 bababoey

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

What is the consensus amongst fans (not just Panther Fans) on Tyron Mattieu (I may have spelt that wrong!). When I first started to follow the sport I heard a lot about this player called 'the honeybadger' but this year I see he got into trouble and was booted out of his school/college team. Is he a player that will see his pick severely affected by off field issues and are his issues to do with attitude?

Very overrated corner. Great return man. Sucks in coverage.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:06 AM

What is the consensus amongst fans (not just Panther Fans) on Tyron Mattieu (I may have spelt that wrong!). When I first started to follow the sport I heard a lot about this player called 'the honeybadger' but this year I see he got into trouble and was booted out of his school/college team. Is he a player that will see his pick severely affected by off field issues and are his issues to do with attitude?

good player. not as good as the hype surrounding him, but good.

I'd take him after the first couple rounds for sure. I'd even trade up into the third again for him.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

It's time to continue moving ourselves further away from the good ole boy mentality and focus on bringing in talented players. There's obviously a line, but questionable character guys need to be options for this franchise.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

good player. not as good as the hype surrounding him, but good.

I'd take him after the first couple rounds for sure. I'd even trade up into the third again for him.


I look at him and see another Patrick Peterson (great return man, mediocre DB).

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

JR has backed off that stance some- Brandon Hogan is a good recent example. Cam too to some degree.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

Anybody that's going to disrupt the locker room should be avoided.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

To clarify, there are different kinds of "trouble" players....

The Impetuous Youth - did something stupid as a kid and regrets it; no problem

The Slacker - problems stem from a lack of work ethic; take him only for lower round draft picks and minimum contracts if you know your coaches can light a fire under him

The Moron - winds up in trouble because he's frankly just not very bright; take him if you think what he can do on the field is worth the effort you'll have to put into keeping him from making dumb choices off it

The Malcontent - always making a total jerk of himself and annoying everyone around him; take him only if you have an assistant that's capable of kicking his ass and whipping him into shape (i.e. what Mike Zimmer did to Burfict), otherwise he'll turn into a locker room cancer

The Drug Addict - so completely hooked on drugs that he'll jeopardize his football career to have them; best to avoid him unless you're sure that can be broken (not an easy thing)

The Criminal - thinks he's above the law so he has no problem keeping with shady friends and indulging in the occasional criminal undertaking; to be avoided at all costs

The Beater - history of domestic violence; don't even look at him

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

JR has backed off that stance some- Brandon Hogan is a good recent example. Cam too to some degree.


Hogan never got in trouble again that I know of. He was apparently just too frigging lazy.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

Rogers won't be a Panther unless we take him in the 2nd round.


Thats what I'm talking about. He has 1st-2nd rd talents.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:27 PM

I look at a guy like Vontaze Burfict... he was deemed a trouble player... enough that EVERY team passed on him 7+ times.

He's now the best LB for the Bengals as a rookie, and hasn't been arrested or beat up a teammate. I think people make WAY too much of a player's past. Not everybody who gets in trouble in college is Pacman Jones.


Agree

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

Burfict was still a productive player and part of the program, though. He had a questionable work ethic, but that's something that the coaches felt comfortable with.

Mathieu (full disclosure, I think he's a special teamer only in the NFL) and Rogers both smoked too much pot to stay at schools that wanted them. They lost scholarships, the efforts of their coaches, the trust of their teammates, and the respect of their fans. All to get high. I won't act like I know what's accepted and what isn't in the NFL, but the guys who throw away that much to party are the ones that make me very, very nervous.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

Burfict was still a productive player and part of the program, though. He had a questionable work ethic, but that's something that the coaches felt comfortable with.

Mathieu (full disclosure, I think he's a special teamer only in the NFL) and Rogers both smoked too much pot to stay at schools that wanted them. They wasted scholarships, the efforts of their coaches, the trust of their teammates, and the respect of their fans. All to get high. I won't act like I know what's accepted and what isn't in the NFL, but the guys who throw away that much to party are the ones that make me very, very nervous.