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#37 rayzor

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:09 PM

Don't blame either one for wanting what they want.

I just wouldn't wanna be the guy that gives it to 'em.

if they can deliver i don't care how much control they have.

kraft gave belichick control over football operations really soon after he got the job and he didn't have that great of a record prior to that.

i just don't see what the big deal in letting an HC have control over personnel, which is essentially all belichick has and what any other HC wanting control wants. who knows best what players a coach needs than the coach? let him get the players he wants and let someone else handle the cap stuff.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:13 PM

And you're okay with how he handled the team after that?

Specifically, okay enough to hand over total control of the franchise?


Not advocating Gruden for the Panthers and no way with full control, that's a deal breaker.
But the 6 years following the Super Bowl win the Bucs did have 2 Playoff appearnces.
That's quite a bit better than what's been going on in Carolina lately.
Gruden did have one young QB with talent, that is until the Panthers removed his spleen, after that it was a mish mash of trash.
I think he'll probably be a good HC somewhere, but he's not my first choice, but if it was simply Rivera vs Gruden, Gruden it would be, HC responsibilities only however.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

if they can deliver i don't care how much control they have.

kraft gave belichick control over football operations really soon after he got the job and he didn't have that great of a record prior to that.

i just don't see what the big deal in letting an HC have control over personnel, which is essentially all belichick has and what any other HC wanting control wants. who knows best what players a coach needs than the coach? let him get the players he wants and let someone else handle the cap stuff.


My biggest issue is that not that many of the "total control" guys are ever all that successful. The ones who do are the exception, not the rule. Heck, outside of Belichick, who can you name that's won a Super Bowl in forever?

All head coaches have control over who makes the final roster, who starts and who sits. Generally speaking, nobody has issue with that.

When it comes to control over who to draft, who ti sign in free agency, whose contract to extend, etc. That's where the issues start.

Veteran personnel guys generally hate when the coach inserts himself too much into the process. They want input from the coaches for sure, but they also complain that coaches have a tendency to "fall in love" with a guy's highlight tape and not look at the big picture.

Bottom Line: In today's NFL there's just too much to handle. That's why the total control model generally isn't effective anymore.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

Would've love it. Gruden has been working with draft prospects and especially the QBs, and on draft nights. The man is a "motivator" and someone who knows talents.

But I'm fine with Gettleman as GM and a "lame duck" coach in Chico for right now. I'm sure the Panthers were no.1 on Chip Kelly's list. If Chico dissapoint, Kelly's name will become a hot surface in Charlotte real soon.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

MIke Holmgren did a fairly good job with GM/HC duties but it just takes too much out of one person.
It's just mandatory that any GM and HC be able to work together for a common goal and the marriage should be ok.
You cant have success with a toxic situation like what went on in San Diego with the AJ Smith/Schotty/Norv ordeal.
I'm not at all impressed either with Rivera's ability to translate the roster Hurney handed him with wins on the field.
Fox and Hurney had much closer philosipies apparently, Gettleman better make sure he and Rivera are on the same page or Rivera might not even last the year.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

Hurray for subjective analysis!!!!

How are you going to prove this statement?

Prove me wrong

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

Gruden is the only retread i woud consider. I like his moxi and think he could fire up the players... on the flip side i understand he has a really complicated playbook to learn...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:47 PM

Clausen's skill set


Sorry Mr Scot, you lost me after these 3 words.

Clausen's skill set is panicking at the first sign of pressure and throwing the ball to Jackie Miles on the sideline.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

Retreads rarely work....Coughlin, Belicheck, Carroll, Fox,

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

Sorry Mr Scot, you lost me after these 3 words.

Clausen's skill set is panicking at the first sign of pressure and throwing the ball to Jackie Miles on the sideline.

i think that the thinking behind that is that a WCO is about the only system that clausen would be able to fit because he doesn't really have the arm strength to do anything that requires deep passes.

and since the WCO requires the QB to get the ball out quickly and limits decision making he might be ok there as well.

the only thing is that the WCO needs a QB who can scramble some and i don't think that clausen's "scared squirrel" style of scrambling is what they are hoping for.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

My Clausen scars run deep LOL

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

My Clausen scars run deep LOL

they do for all of us.