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[color=#000000][left][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][size=3][font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif]"So to recap, a new general manager (Dave Gettleman) was given a head coach he had no voice in hiring, and now that coach has to replace half a staff and install a new system anyway.[/font][/size][/background][/left][/color]
[color=#000000][left][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][size=3][font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif]What could possibly go wrong?[/font][/size][/background][/left][/color]
[color=#000000][left][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][size=3][font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif]The background on the shuffle makes it more frustrating for the Panthers.[/font][/size][/background][/left][/color]
[color=#000000][left][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][size=3][font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif]When former GM Marty Hurney hired Rivera, he had a list of offensive coordinator candidates in mind along with a list of head coaches. It’s believed that Bengals coordinator Jay Gruden was atop Hurney’s list, but Rivera insisted on Chudzinski instead. Hurney, in a move that may have effectively doomed him, relented and let his new coach pick his own guy.[/font][/size][/background][/left][/color]
[color=#000000][left][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][size=3][font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif]Chudzinski is widely known as a smart guy, and his Ohio roots will give him a passion for the Browns job they need. But more than one of his former co-workers in Charlotte thought he was coaching to land a head coaching job, rather than using the tools he was given. Hence drawing up all the creative read-option plays, which were cute for a moment, while ignoring the fact he had been given running backs[url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3611/deangelo-williams"]DeAngelo Williams[/url] and [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4650/jonathan-stewart"]Jonathan Stewart[/url].[/font][/size][/background][/left][/color]
[color=#000000][left][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][size=3][font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif]The end result is Rivera’s still standing, but scrambling for an answer, and the Panthers look like even more of a disjointed mess this morning than they already did."[/font][/size][/background][/left][/color]
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kept his job because stability was important.

half the staff leaves including the OC.

#winning.
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Can someone explain to me why JR is giving Rivera an unproven coach so much control??? He killed foxy but not Rivera.

Rivera took control after Hurney was fired. Now he's cutting guys without Gettleman's opinion. I'm sick of it.

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So when we fire Rivera next year, will we have to get another OC once again?

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Gannts right - this does not give me hope for the immediate future
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[quote name='Keith Moons Liver' timestamp='1357914001' post='2090232']
So when we fire Rivera next year, will we have to get another OC once again?
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yes.

awesome, huh?

sounds like alex smith's history with the 49ers.

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Unless Rivera himself decides to change his offensive philosophy entirely I think there will still be continuity for Cam. He'll find someone who can run a similar Coryell offense.
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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1357914093' post='2090237']
yes.

awesome, huh?

sounds like alex smith's history with the 49ers.
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See that's the only part that worries me a little.

If Rivera and [new OC here] do not succeed this year we run the risk of giving a [i]third[/i] OC to him. I was OK with the change this year because it would have been a total change and then some years of stability again. That seems less likely now.

[i][Devil's advocate[/i]]

There is still the chance that Chud coaching out of his ass and not being intelligent with how the offense was run is a large part of the reason we were so behind the 8-ball this year. A new OC might fix that problem and effectively save Rivera's job. How many times did we want to burn Chud in effigy this year?
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Nobody saw Chud leaving. And I love all the snarky fugging comments by these guys in the media.

"It was cute for the moment." It was also effective which is one of the reasons why we finished in back to back season with a top 10 offense in TDs per drive and are 4th in TDs per drive over the last two seasons.

This is the type of poo that makes me hate the media. They are eager to pounce. Gantt seems genuinely upset that Rivera did not get fired.

And one last thing, if Gettleman was that concerned about not hiring his own coach, he could have just not taken the fugging job.
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If it's true that Chud was trying to land a head coaching gig using our team as the guinea pig than he needs to be gone.
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I think everyone with eyes knew this. Just another bad mistake from Rivera. Honesty I have no fuging idea why JR kept him. Dumb move IMO.
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[quote name='Snake' timestamp='1357915888' post='2090318']
I think everyone with eyes knew this. Just another bad mistake from Rivera. Honesty I have no fuging idea why JR kept him. Dumb move IMO.
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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1357914379' post='2090251']
Nobody saw Chud leaving. And I love all the snarky fugging comments by these guys in the media.

"It was cute for the moment." It was also effective which is one of the reasons why we finished in back to back season with a top 10 offense in TDs per drive and are 4th in TDs per drive over the last two seasons.

This is the type of poo that makes me hate the media. They are eager to pounce. Gantt seems genuinely upset that Rivera did not get fired.

And one last thing, if Gettleman was that concerned about not hiring his own coach, he could have just not taken the fugging job.
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I agree with u. His rantings reads more like he's upset with Rivera not be fired than anything else.

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1357914379' post='2090251']
Nobody saw Chud leaving. And I love all the snarky fugging comments by these guys in the media.

"It was cute for the moment." It was also effective which is one of the reasons why we finished in back to back season with a top 10 offense in TDs per drive and are 4th in TDs per drive over the last two seasons.

This is the type of poo that makes me hate the media. They are eager to pounce. Gantt seems genuinely upset that Rivera did not get fired.

And one last thing, if Gettleman was that concerned about not hiring his own coach, he could have just not taken the fugging job.
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I guess what people are mainly trying to get at is that we are keeping Rivera because of the stability . We aren't showing any stability right now because half of the offensive staff is gone. It seems that we would of been better letting Rivera go because now he is a pretty much a lame duck coach with a new GM.
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I read the title as Grantts Ants

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When has he not been on a rant about the Panthers lately?

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1357913859' post='2090228']
kept his job because stability was important.

half the staff leaves including the OC.

#winning.
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Stability is important. But the HC is the stabilizing factor. Changing OCs is not he end of the world. It is only a mess if we fail this year. I, and many, don't see us failing. If so, the HC and new OC will be together for a while.

I like how you make it sound like half his staff abandoned him. Chud and Turner are the only two that left of their own free will. Talk about spin.

I know your heart was broken this year. But, please, come back off the ledge.

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[quote name='Bj-Monster23' timestamp='1357921370' post='2090561']

I guess what people are mainly trying to get at is that we are keeping Rivera because of the stability . We aren't showing any stability right now because half of the offensive staff is gone. It seems that we would of been better letting Rivera go because now he is a pretty much a lame duck coach with a new GM.
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This could have happened last year, and it could have happened next year, etc.

And I moderately disagree that we kept Rivera just to keep continuity on offense. He also went 6-2 the second half of the season with convincing wins over Atlanta and New Orleans, the defense saw huge improvement, and the team never quit on him.

He took a team that was 2-14, basically added a QB and some small parts, and has gotten them to 7-9.

I don't want to get into the business of fully defending Ron Rivera because I am skeptical that much will get better.

But we didn't keep Rivera just to keep Chud. If that was what we were worried about we just would have fired Rivera and promoted Chud to HC.

Plus this could end up being a positive. We just have to wait and see..

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No one can convince me that Gantt doesn't get some type of perverse pleasure at pointing to what he perceives as anarchy within the Panthers' organization. I do think he is taking some of this stuff (firings and FO decisions) personally, and I get the felling that he relishes the thought of saying "I told you so" when his predictions and pontifications ring true. There is just something not quite right about Gantt.

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The panthers could reunite Belichick's browns coaching staff from the early 90's and gantt would find a way to rant about it

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He's right.

Some of you guys think everything we do will lead to a ring. Wake up. This team is a complete mess right now. There's no way around it.

Salary cap hell. And that's to put it lightly. It's a problem that will effect/set us back for the next 2-3 seasons. Because of this issue, we are going to be decreasing the talent on a team that was already pretty thin in that department. On top of both of those things, we have a lame duck coach who is already feeling pressure from the new GM and just lost his OC (and possibly more staff that will be going with him). So now RR has to go find a new offensive staff to coach a team that is only going to get worse this offseason (because of the cap). And Rivera will still be expected to make the playoffs but he won't, leading to him being fired and we, once again, have another set back.

But yeah, Gantt is just grumpy. He has no real reason to be frustrated with a crappy this franchise is right now.
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I love how every year we're in "salary cap hell", then we make a few moves and have plenty of cap room and everyone's like "oh I knew we'd be ok"

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From his last couple posts slamming managment and the team, I'm guessin Gannt is carrying around a wee bit of anger from the whole "being assigned to cover Winthrop University" thing.

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[quote name='Zcustom' timestamp='1357922818' post='2090618']
I love how every year we're in "salary cap hell", then we make a few moves and have plenty of cap room and everyone's like "oh I knew we'd be ok"
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This year is definitely different than others. We are $16 million over the cap.

We will make a few moves and "be ok" cap wise. But those moves will include some fan favorites.

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[quote name='iamhubby1' timestamp='1357922343' post='2090601']
Stability is important. But the HC is the stabilizing factor. Changing OCs is not he end of the world. It is only a mess if we fail this year. I, and many, don't see us failing. If so, the HC and new OC will be together for a while.

I like how you make it sound like half his staff abandoned him. Chud and Turner are the only two that left of their own free will. Talk about spin.

I know your heart was broken this year. But, please, come back off the ledge.
[/quote]meh...you spun what i said. most the staff that left is gone because he fired several and then he's had one and maybe two walk out to greener pastures.

he is having a significant turnover in the staff. that's not stability.

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