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#61 dugbug

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:02 AM

At least gantt has passion for the team and gets good info. He may be a bit off his rocker now and then

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

I am choosing to look at this glass as half full. RR has a chance to correct his early mistakes, which he has admitted he made in his hiring process. Gettleman has a lot of experience and while coaching hires are the responsibility of the HC, got to think that Ron will get some imput from his new boss. I think Chud moving on is a good thing....just can't believe the Browns are so enamored with him. May be the best thing that could have happened to Rivera.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

My favorite Chud view...

Cam asks for the read option
Cam teaches teammates/RBs about option
Chud allows Cam to run it

Somehow that makes Chud a mad scientist. Mike Shanahan this year as well.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:11 PM

The read option is a type of play, not a base offense.

Secondly, I don't think the read option itself was the issue. i didn't like the way we were running it, and we had a hard time blocking.

It doesn't matter if you are running a power run game, zone run, or read option, if miss your assignments or get beat on your block your going to lose yardage.

Well it was our base offense at the beginning of the year. Our O-Line was being asked to work magic against the league's best pass rushers.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:01 PM

Well it was our base offense at the beginning of the year.


Running a certain play frequently does not make it your base offense. We also frequently throw deep outs to Smith out of the gun, but you would never call that play your base offense. The read option run play is no different.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

Running a certain play frequently does not make it your base offense. We also frequently throw deep outs to Smith out of the gun, but you would never call that play your base offense. The read option run play is no different.

So when the majority of your plays are in the same formation that's not your base offense? Gotcha.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:24 PM

...(Devil's advocate)

There is still the chance that Chud coaching out of his ass and not being intelligent with how the offense was run is a large part of the reason we were so behind the 8-ball this year. A new OC might fix that problem and effectively save Rivera's job. How many times did we want to burn Chud in effigy this year?


We ranked 12th out of 32 in the league for offense (~ top 1/3 of the league) & 23rd in defense (~ bottom 1/3rd in the league). You think offense was our problem other than Cam making some dumb decisions early on in the season? (BTW, Cam was overwhelmed by the complexity of Chud's system & Chud deducted that complexity, which is when Cam 'improved').

I am not saying Chud's offense was my preference, b/c I like a more treadition rushing attack, but I'm saying it was not our offense that was our biggest problem (defense/coaching were, IMO).

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

i think it's a good time for Gettlemen to be the GM and bring in someone of his choice.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

My favorite Chud view...

Cam asks for the read option
Cam teaches teammates/RBs about option
Chud allows Cam to run it

Somehow that makes Chud a mad scientist. Mike Shanahan this year as well.

i think that it is becoming more clear our lacking of execution was much worse than Chud's playcalling. that should have made him make adjustments which he took too long to do, but it has been proven that type of offense can be consistently successful.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

We ranked 12th out of 32 in the league for offense (~ top 1/3 of the league) & 23rd in defense (~ bottom 1/3rd in the league). You think offense was our problem other than Cam making some dumb decisions early on in the season? (BTW, Cam was overwhelmed by the complexity of Chud's system & Chud deducted that complexity, which is when Cam 'improved').

I am not saying Chud's offense was my preference, b/c I like a more treadition rushing attack, but I'm saying it was not our offense that was our biggest problem (defense/coaching were, IMO).


There is no question that coaching was our largest problem. But you'll notice that what I'm saying is about the coaches and not the players. Chud coached our offense for the first part of the year like he was playing Madden. We totally lacked balance (in spite of our 80 million dollar backfield) and we ran an offensive scheme that the whole world (but him) knew was not working as a base offense in the NFL.

Our offensive scheme didn't play to the strengths of our team and got Cam hit far more than he should have been hit. It works well as a wrinkle when they're not expecting it but defenders are too fast in the NFL for the option to be your base game plan. It's no surprise that when we started running an offense that was was more suited to the NFL we suddenly started performing better. It had nothing to do with complexity - it had to do with the scheme and the playcalling.

Cam had some issues this year (but he does have the highest passing yard total through his first two seasons of any QB to play the game...so he could have done a little worse). So did our receivers. So did our OLine. But all of this was made to look 100x worse because our playcaller was calling plays like a 12 year old in a sand-lot.

Also it's worth pointing out that our final defensive rankings for the year were:

10th in Yds/G (331.1).
18th in Pts/G

So that's pretty on par with the offense, huh?

To me the failure of this season is on Rivera and Chud. I wanted them both gone. I got one of them. My hope is that a new OC will come in here and run the offense right for an entire season. Maybe that saves Rivera's job...maybe it doesn't.


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