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#46 Doc Holiday

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

I want a team that puts some winning seasons together not 7-9 or 8-8 every year. That is JR's responsibility. He has made bad decisions on how he runs the team and we the fans suffer by sitting through mediocrity while spending 2k a year on tickets and drinking $7.25 miller lites.

JR seems like a great man who isn't delivering the goods.

If it's not JR's fault then tell me who to criticize.

Some things that are part of putting a consistent winner together are easier done in different parts of the NFL, For example the reason Peyton Manning went to the AFC west wasn't because he thought it was a better Job then the 49ers or the Jets, but if you were Peyton who would you rather face? Tom Brady twice a year or the entire AFC west which is the worse division in the NFL.

We play in the NFC South, probably the toughest Division in the NFL outside of the NFC east.

we can't be like the 49'ers and Broncos going into the playoffs without a offense. we have to have a complete team an easy out of division schedule, we have played a tougher schedule then the Patriots every year since John Fox first took over, not every road to to success is equal, we are a mid sized market in a tough division in the tougher of the two conferences.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

Be a man chuck, im asking you an honest question. Don't go running to tell the principal on me because I confronted you about saying something dumb. I wanna know if you are seriously trying to troll or if your opinion is just that ridiculous. It's absolutely mind boggling.




Hey I'm not DUMB . I know what youre doing. Just quit man. I'm sick and tired of you. You ran to the "principal" first, made them message both of us to quit quoting each other, and then now you're back here wanting to talk to me? God's sake get a hold of yourself. Just stay away and ignore me. Have I really gotten that much into you that you just can't leave me. It's like a drug huh?

DON'T REPLY BACK!!!!!

#48 Bwood

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

Uhhhh....you realize that Kurb made that message, right?

I asked you a question, a legit question and you refuse to answer it because you can't explain.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

Some things that are part of putting a consistent winner together are easier done in different parts of the NFL, For example the reason Peyton Manning went to the AFC west wasn't because he thought it was a better Job then the 49ers or the Jets, but if you were Peyton who would you rather face? Tom Brady twice a year or the entire AFC west which is the worse division in the NFL.

We play in the NFC South, probably the toughest Division in the NFL outside of the NFC east.

we can't be like the 49'ers and Broncos going into the playoffs without a offense. we have to have a complete team an easy out of division schedule, we have played a tougher schedule then the Patriots every year since John Fox first took over, not every road to to success is equal, we are a mid sized market in a tough division in the tougher of the two conferences.


We have plenty of talent and everyone plays in a tough division.

We have no excuses for mediocrity.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

Yea, little kid went tattle tell about how carolina-chuck is quoting his stuff under his Signature and having picture of him on his profile pic. Blame it on Kurb.

I don't want anything near you.

So long. Sooo long ;)

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

We have plenty of talent and everyone plays in a tough division.

We have no excuses for mediocrity.



who would you rather play

Falcons/Saints/Bucs

or

Chargers/Chiefs/Raiders

no contest

not all divisions are tough

it's like the Patriots before Rex Ryan went to the Jets

Bills/Dolphins/Jets those teams were so bad for so long, they were 6 easy wins in their pocket, every single season all they really had to do was some how manage to go 4-6 in their other games and were in the Playoffs, dear god why cant the panthers face that every year???

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

Hahaha dude you're fugging psychotic if you think that's what happened. The message was from Kurb and I said nothing about a sig because I can't even view sigs lol

I asked you a question about a panther related topic and you continue to fight like a kid to avoid having to answer. Are you going to man up and explain your opinion or are you going to be chuck?

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

Hahaha dude you're fugging psychotic if you think that's what happened. The message was from Kurb and I said nothing about a sig because I can't even view sigs lol

I asked you a question about a panther related topic and you continue to fight like a kid to avoid having to answer. Are you going to man up and explain your opinion or are you going to be chuck?


were you the only who made the topic about Grits?

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:50 PM

who would you rather play

Falcons/Saints/Bucs

or

Chargers/Chiefs/Raiders

no contest

not all divisions are tough

it's like the Patriots before Rex Ryan went to the Jets

Bills/Dolphins/Jets those teams were so bad for so long, they were 6 easy wins in their pocket, every single season all they really had to do was some how manage to go 4-6 in their other games and were in the Playoffs, dear god why cant the panthers face that every year???


The Bucs and Saints stunk this year and ATL is not as good as its record. You can do mental gymnastics all you like but every team has tough games on its schedule and easy ones. You find a way to win 10 of them or you fail.

If we are doomed to mediocrity because we play tough teams then why even have a franchise.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

were you the only who made the topic about Grits?


I'm sorry, I only speak English.

#56 Doc Holiday

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:01 PM

The Bucs and Saints stunk this year and ATL is not as good as its record. You can do mental gymnastics all you like but every team has tough games on its schedule and easy ones. You find a way to win 10 of them or you fail.

If we are doomed to mediocrity because we play tough teams then why even have a franchise.

we were not talking about just this season we were talking about long term success, and I was just telling you why it's harder for us then other teams.

Fans like to think: Oh there's no reason for us to not do just as good as team "X". and there is.

the only two teams in the NFL that have built consistent winners in Tough divisions is the Steelers and Giants and they are probably the two most well run teams in the NFL.

I'm not saying I don't want a consistent winner either, honestly I think we are on the verge of a breakout, if we can keep the offense rolling like it did at the end of the season with a new OC and rivera can get the Defense turned into what we know it can be we could be very good for a long time. I felt better about this happening before Chud left, but we will see.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:02 PM

I'm sorry, I only speak English.

it wasn't you then so nvm

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:27 PM

This team will be more successful after JR is no longer the owner/decision maker. I'd bet money on it.Tough division is NOT an excuse. I don't care about his intention when he fails, or if he calls fans, or makes money, or is from Charlotte, and is a good guy. I'm a fan not a co-worker or family member. Fans of JR are almost always people who have lived in NC their whole lives and think he is something special to NC. Nothing to do with winning and the Panthers. The supporters are in fact the ones speaking from feelings.

Shame, PSL owners played a huge role in bringing the team here, you'd think people of charlotte would have higher expectations for JR. Fact is JR is a buisnessman and a morally good guy. Success to him IS NOT what it is to fans, it is not a priority, for him. How can you say things like 'yea but we're better than the Raiders, Browns fans ask them!!' really? Being better than the worst, slightly, is ok? JR isn't the reason we have Cam, no way he goes that route without a cap in place, the cap brought us Cam and latley his decisions have flat out screwed customers and harmed the team more than anyone elses.

Now let's say 'but we have had more success than 2/3s the NFL!' in what time frame? let's not go back 10 years, how about the last 3? At one time, JR was making good decisions but clearly he has gone downhill. No one had a probelm with JR in the past as much because he wasn't destroying the franchise. You can sit here and remember the past specific, certain years you want to and love as a fan and create a soft spot for JR, or look at the past 5 years and say WTF. JR has slipped for five years, love the guy all you want but he is declining in his ability to make good decisions THE MOST RECENT 5 YEARS, not before the panthers existed, not the past 10 years with 5 on the other backend being our greatest seasons, I'm talking about what matters most RIGHT NOW. He is declining and some fans (mostly NC natives) jsut can't accept it. But yea, JR is a good guy.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:29 PM

So really what's the deal?


Because 90% of the folks on here are just smartasses. You have to filter through those to get to the rest. It can be time consuming, but once you learn who to tune out, you should be fine.

We started well with Polian. Letting him get away stalled us.

JR has gone back to his roots. He hired a football guy. We are on the right track again.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

Bad Owner? bottum line of the food chain, this teams had more success in the last 10 years then 2/3 of the NFL, has he been perfect? nope but overal I'd rather have him.

Most of the JR haters only have feelings to back up their argument, if you want to look at it from a pure stat point of view we have been a top 1/3 of the league for a while now.


http://www.philsteel...g12/DBAug8.html

The above link shows 2002 - 2011, but as our record for 2002 and 2012 was the same, it doesn't really change anything.

You will see we had the 17th best record, and were below .500.

That's a far cry from the top 1/3.


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