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I Have Less Faith In Rivera After Today

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Okay, you want to look at things in context, how about 3 wins when still in playoff contention? That's right, 10 of Rivera's wins have come after we were already out of the playoff race. Lots of meaningless late season wins in the past two years. How about Rivera's abysmal record in games decided by one score or less? I'm too lazy to look it up right now and don't know it off the top of my head, but feel free to do so if you'd like.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You've bought up a few points to indicate why Rivera is a bad coach but you don't provide any context. For instance, his losing record in games decided by one score or less. Context would be breaking each of those games down and finding the reasons why we lost and assigning the blame. Then look at the why to see if it's something that can be fixed. Was actions taken to fix that specific problem?

Take the Atlanta game for example. We didn't lose that game to bad coaching. We lost it because Cam fumbled in the last minute and Nakamura was out of position and gave up a huge play. You could argue Rivera put Nakamura there and I would agree. So, Rivera had to decide if Nakamura not making that play was something that could be fixed. He thought it was and gave him another chance. Once he found that to be a mistake Nakamura was benched.

And if you think Rivera should have benched him right away that's hindsight and the same thing as saying he should have benched Cam for fumbling at the worst possible time. Of course you and everyone else think that's not the same thing but it is. The only difference is that it's very easy to see Cam's ability and say he should not be benched. It's much harder with Nakamura because he's not a star and we're not the coach seeing him day in and day out and also because we don't see practice and now if he was the best option despite his less than stellar play.

That's why most fans are out of their gourd. They decide if a player of coach is good or bad based on singular things like if we won or not. They blame the QB for throwing an INT even though they have no idea what the play was, if the player ran the right route, if the QB was throwing to a spot, etc. CONTEXT.

At some point it comes down to results and Rivera has not provided winning results but when you look at the whole picture you see why knowledgeable football people are saying Carolina has a lot of talent and are a much better team than there record indicates. If Rivera has learned from his mistakes and we correct even half of the mistakes to lose those games we're an easy playoff team. And with a few more pieces a Superbowl team.

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Losing and not making the playoffs gets old everywhere. In 2005 I watched the Panthers kick tail in the Georgia Dome and all the Atlanta Fans were emo as fug about losing for 40 years. Telling me how they wish they won as often as the Panthers. San Francisco has two winning seasons since 2003, we have 3. Funny how you can make the numbers say whatever the hell you want by picking the cutoff dates.

ATL is 7-11 in the playoffs all time. We are 6-4. ATL has a 6 winning seasons in the last 9 years and they still have an all time history of losing by a wide margin.

Well yea that's what we need to get back to

But when you have a former news reporter as GM and ownership like Zod just mentioned not MONITORING WTF is going on like giving Jake a contract after that abysmal playoff game you get what we're going through now

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At some point it comes down to results and Rivera has not provided winning results but when you look at the whole picture you see why knowledgeable football people are saying Carolina has a lot of talent and are a much better team than there record indicates

Wait... I thought you were arguing for Rivera? You pretty much summed up what I've been saying all along. We're better on paper than we are on the field and a lot of it has come down to poor late game coaching and poor clock management.

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Biscotti told John to fire Cameron or else. People forget that Kaep came in for an injured Smith, which made Jim's decision for him. He used the lame "hot hand" line of reasoning, hardly sounds like a coach willing to make a change without an excuse to prop it up. Once Kaep played well there was no pressure to do otherwise. But I'll tell you what that move DID do; it demonstrated that Harbaugh is perfectly willing to talk up a player, call him elite, then try to dump him for Peyton, then go back to him like nothing ever happened, then bench him when he's playing well just because of injury. And we're supposed to applaud that unwillingness to be a man and say the truth, that your QB isn't very good and you will look into alternatives?

There's a lot of things Rivera can be called, but a hypocrite or a liar is not one of them.

Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome says the decision to fire offensive coordinator Cam Cameron in December was orchestrated solely by coach John Harbaugh.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/01/26/3813494/the-switch-is-on-harbaugh.html

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I swear....thus board has become the biggest joke of a team message board in the NFL. The constant bitching, moaning, criticism has gotten out if hand.

Even during the 1-15 season, it was not like this. There was intelligent debate and conversation. However, the last several seasons we have seen an infestation of pre pubescent idiots whose football acumen came from playing Madden.

We used to make fun if other team's boards who acted like this one is.

We are an embarrassment and this place has lost its fuging mind.

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you must not go to many other boards, esp. those that dont ban you for saying anything critical.

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I swear....thus board has become the biggest joke of a team message board in the NFL. The constant bitching, moaning, criticism has gotten out if hand.

Even during the 1-15 season, it was not like this. There was intelligent debate and conversation. However, the last several seasons we have seen an infestation of pre pubescent idiots whose football acumen came from playing Madden.

We used to make fun if other team's boards who acted like this one is.

We are an embarrassment and this place has lost its fuging mind.

The Panthers?

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The Panthers?

Yes, has to be....unless he is speaking for himself.

I didn't get the memo that we are supposed to be out in the streets singing Kumbaya while JR fields one of the worst teams in NFL history.

Here take my money Mr. Millionaire. I don't care if what I paid for is garbage. Want me to suck your cock too? -MH

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you must not go to many other boards, esp. those that dont ban you for saying anything critical.

I don't have any issue with being critical...and having intelligent debates and conversation over the situation.

However, we have turned into a board that just regurgitate the same poo in new thread after new thread.

Did JR make the right decision with RR? It is very debatable. There are reasons that we shoudl have cut bat and there are valid reason that he should be given the third year.

There is not intelligent debate over the merits of the decision....just bitching an moaning about how ownership sucks....coaches suck...etc.

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winning takes away bitching.and this team havent had a winning season since 08 so..........................

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