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I Have Less Faith In Rivera After Today


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#25 Cyberjag

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

Harbaugh walked into a situation with great lines, a good running game, and a couple of fine defensive players.

He had a mediocre to average QB in Smith and average WRs in turns of NFL production.

He took a chance on Colin. He wanted a Cam clone and he worked out for him.

Rivera walked into a team, inspite what a lot of people like to think here, that just does not have that type of talent on the lines.

Great lines do wonderful things for football teams.

This free agency period and draft will tell us a great deal about Rivera and Gettleman. Do I see Rivera ever being in the NFC Championship game, sadly no. I hope I'm wrong.

Do I think Cam can ever have the type of evening Colin had, I don't know, I hope so.

From Singletary's last year (2010) to this year, Harbaugh has replaced three offensive linemen while turning the other two into pro-bowlers. He's replaced four of his front seven on defense (moving one of the keepers from NT to DE), and he's replaced three of his four starting DBs. That's a change 8 of 11 defensive positions. On offense, he kept Gore, and managed to turn Smith and Crabtree into productive NFL starters. Now he has his QB under center and the offense looks like the NFL's best. At this point on offense, he's changed the starters at 6 of 11 positions.

In short, in his two years there Harbaugh has pretty much overhauled the entire team and raised the level of play across the board. And he's done it while winning and winning big both years.

What's Rivera done again? If I recall correctly, he cut Otah, replaced Martin with Nakamura, and signed a bunch of ex-Chargers.

But again, the reason Harbaugh has done well is because he walked into a situation where he had a ready-made team, and I'm sure everyone here believes that if Rivera had gone to SF instead of Carolina, he would have had the same results.

Do I understand your position correctly? Just want to be sure...

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

My faith in RR has been zero since Atlanta.

Atl was more about having a crappy secondary than anything IMO....and Cam fumbling. That loss was on the guys on the field

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:27 AM

From Singletary's last year (2010) to this year, Harbaugh has replaced three offensive linemen while turning the other two into pro-bowlers. He's replaced four of his front seven on defense (moving one of the keepers from NT to DE), and he's replaced three of his four starting DBs. That's a change 8 of 11 defensive positions. On offense, he kept Gore, and managed to turn Smith and Crabtree into productive NFL starters. Now he has his QB under center and the offense looks like the NFL's best. At this point on offense, he's changed the starters at 6 of 11 positions.

In short, in his two years there Harbaugh has pretty much overhauled the entire team and raised the level of play across the board. And he's done it while winning and winning big both years.

What's Rivera done again? If I recall correctly, he cut Otah, replaced Martin with Nakamura, and signed a bunch of ex-Chargers.

But again, the reason Harbaugh has done well is because he walked into a situation where he had a ready-made team, and I'm sure everyone here believes that if Rivera had gone to SF instead of Carolina, he would have had the same results.

Do I understand your position correctly? Just want to be sure...


Hurney overpaid Fox's crew right as RR came on board....how exactly was he suppose to overhaul our roster?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:42 AM

So you're saying that Rivera would have the same results as Harbaugh had he gone to SF?

Do you think that if Harbaugh had come to Carolina, he would have two losing seasons so far?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:43 AM

Personally, seeing these teams play make me feel Rivera will never have our team playing like that

That San Fran game just made me depressed again

If I'm proven wrong, then I'm wrong, I'll eat crew wateva... but at the moment I just don't see it



You literally never stop with the whining and Debbie Downer thing do you?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:47 AM

That was the start of it but it was cemented after the KC game. I want him gone in the worst way. Good teams dont lose to the worst teams in the league. Esp Freaking KC.


Any Given Sunday!

For example: The undefeated Packers lost to the Chiefs in 2011 with an interim coach. It happens. To say otherwise shows a lack of knowledge and/or experience with the NFL.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

Do you think that if Harbaugh had come to Carolina, he would have two losing seasons so far?


No chance

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:56 AM

So you are saying when he is losing we don't like him but if he starts winning we will like him?

Have you submitted this theory to the national psychology board for peer review?


At the beginning of this season he was already a legend here as well as Chudzinski. Then they both became the biggest bums who all of a sudden knew nothing about coaching. Then people were upset that \Chud was not fired, then upset because he left. I assume Rivera will be a legend again after a few wins next season.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:59 AM

So you are saying when he is losing we don't like him but if he starts winning we will like him?

Have you submitted this theory to the national psychology board for peer review?


No need for all that. This represents the phenomenon just fine:



I would pay money for Rivera to make a Mike Jones reference after next season.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

My faith in RR has been zero since Atlanta.


The first game? Or the game when we stomped their ass?


Rivera is not the best coach, but he is improving along with the team.

The Carolina team that beat Atlanta this year is what this team can be, or better. I noticed a huge improvement in the defense and in the confidence level of the team in the second half of the season. I know it was too late, but I have a feeling that we are going to start kicking ass as soon as we walk on the field next year.

Let's see if we make the playoffs in 2013, and then Rivera will have no excuses if we cant win a playoff game.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

The excuses made for this guy are amazing. Yeah, he's our coach and we need to support him, but that doesn't mean we should lie to ourselves about how good he is at his job.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a coach that didn't need so much defending? The sad reality is, he's in the lower tier of coaches, everyone knows it, and the best we as fans can do is just hope he somehow defies the odds and gets better.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

We don't have near the complete rosters those teams have. Can't put it all on Rivera.


Well to be honest, despite needing help on O-line, our offense is stacked. A few good o-linemen, and this offense will be top 3 or 5 IMO.

But yes, our defense is still lacking. I will say that even though there are a lot of holes on our D, Rivera still had them playing well in the 2nd half of the season.

Rivera has always built great defenses throughout his career. I have faith that with a few more pieces, this will be an elite team on both sides of the ball, and that is why I think that this team is going to click this year. I can see the confidence building.