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#46 Cyberjag

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

Personally, I find the "worst roster" argument kind of silly. Good coaches come in and take horrible rosters like ours to the playoffs all the time.

And one thing that Rivera does do very well is develop talent. I don't see him lasting two more years here, based on the other parts of his job that he doesn't do well, but when he does move on the next guy is going to inherit a roster that's stacked.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

You are partially right. I for 1 would be happily eating crow. I gave Rivera year 1 with no judgement, but year 2 there needed to be progression & there was regresssion.

You can defend him all you want, but it sets the team back at least 2 years by keeping the wrong guy...I think we kept the wrong guy this year.

IF next year we are in the playoffs, you will have been right...sadly, I doubt that will happen. We should be making play-off 'runs' vs. out of the running by game 8 of 16.

Regardless of who the coach is our roster is in chaos right now. We need that to be sorted out before we set expectations for next season. Hurney and JR are responsible for our current roster situation. I'd give Rivera no more than 10% credit for roster. Hurney did pass on Jacoby Jones, Trindon Holliday, Carlos Rodgers, Geoff Schwartz, and numerous other guys that contributed elsewhere. He also signed dead money Mare. Although Rivera could be blamed for that as well. Point is, if we don't have a very good roster it's asinine to expect playoffs.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

I'm curious... Does everyone on the "blame Hurney" bandwagon think its a coincidence that we went out and got guys like Nanee and Tolbert?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:11 PM

That was the start of it but it was cemented after the KC game. I want him gone in the worst way. Good teams dont lose to the worst teams in the league. Esp Freaking KC.


jbland, i agree. The PROBLEM is that we are not a good team, therefor we lose against KC

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:11 PM

Tolbert was a good pickup what's your point?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:14 PM

Tolbert was a good pickup what's your point?


His point is that Hurney went out and tried to get the coaches the FA players they wanted.

Or, Rivera needs to get some blame for FA failures as well. It wasn't all on Hurney.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

Didn't Tolbert contact the Panthers as well....or his agent at least. Nane did not play well. Ajiritutu was ok on special teams. There was a few other Chargers that had no impact positive or negative. When I say the roster is in chaos I'm talking about cap figure. Not league minimum Charger scrubs. All of our major cap problems originate from Panther draft picks on second deals.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

His point is that Hurney went out and tried to get the coaches the FA players they wanted.

Or, Rivera needs to get some blame for FA failures as well. It wasn't all on Hurney.

Yeah but I'm not sure Tolbert played out like that. Nane did. But I think Tolbert contacted the Panthers.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

Do you seriously think we're the only team in the league with cap problems?



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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

The first game? Or the game when we stomped their ass?

Rivera is not the best coach, but he is improving along with the team.

The Carolina team that beat Atlanta this year is what this team can be, or better. I noticed a huge improvement in the defense and in the confidence level of the team in the second half of the season.
I know it was too late, but I have a feeling that we are going to start kicking ass as soon as we walk on the field next year.

Let's see if we make the playoffs in 2013, and then Rivera will have no excuses if we cant win a playoff game.


This is actually my biggest complaint about Rivera this past year & even his first year; there's starting to be a pattern. After the pressure is off (i.e. we're out of the playoffs), he looks like a good coach & the team plays better. I want to see him coach well when it matters & we have a shot.

The expectation was set high before the year (esp. by Kalil) & Rivera folded. Pressure came off after we were out of the running & we begin to look good. I don't like the emerging pattern.

You hit it on the head about being too late & maybe next year we do 'stat kicking' right away, I just like to see a reason for hope rather than a blind faith in Rivera who has not shown us no 'proof' (yes, I know what faith is) to what many believe he will do next year.

I really want to be wrong & have no problem eating my words if we go to the playoffs.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

n/m

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

Do you seriously think we're the only team in the league with cap problems?


And those teams will be handcuffed just like us.

Tampa and ATL have money to spend in the NFC south.

Tampa has 10s of millions and could go big in free agency. Depending on what they do in the offseason they could have $40M to spend.

ATL has a few million which gives them the freedom to resign/keep who they want and maybe make one move.

That is bad for us since we have to get rid of $16M and are in need of a free agent or two. Could be a tough NFC south in 2013 for us

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:36 PM

And those teams will be handcuffed just like us.

Tampa and ATL have money to spend in the NFC south.

Tampa has 10s of millions and could go big in free agency. Depending on what they do in the offseason they could have $40M to spend.

ATL has a few million which gives them the freedom to resign/keep who they want and maybe make one move.

That is bad for us since we have to get rid of $16M and are in need of a free agent or two. Could be a tough NFC south in 2013 for us


I agree with you. ATL is a strong team already, TB has a ridiculous amount of cap space & we are a bad team & in a horrible cap position.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

Don't you want to give Rivera the 2013 season before you start lining up next year's excuses for him? :)

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

From Singletary's last year (2010) to this year, Harbaugh has replaced three offensive linemen while turning the other two into pro-bowlers. He's replaced four of his front seven on defense (moving one of the keepers from NT to DE), and he's replaced three of his four starting DBs. That's a change 8 of 11 defensive positions. On offense, he kept Gore, and managed to turn Smith and Crabtree into productive NFL starters. Now he has his QB under center and the offense looks like the NFL's best. At this point on offense, he's changed the starters at 6 of 11 positions.

In short, in his two years there Harbaugh has pretty much overhauled the entire team and raised the level of play across the board. And he's done it while winning and winning big both years.

What's Rivera done again? If I recall correctly, he cut Otah, replaced Martin with Nakamura, and signed a bunch of ex-Chargers.

But again, the reason Harbaugh has done well is because he walked into a situation where he had a ready-made team, and I'm sure everyone here believes that if Rivera had gone to SF instead of Carolina, he would have had the same results.

Do I understand your position correctly? Just want to be sure...


It's my opinion that Harbaugh had a lot better situation than Rivera's.

It's my opinion that even before Harbaugh moved people around the 49ers were a better team than the Panthers talent-wise.

It's my opinion that no, Rivera, would not done as well as Harbaugh has.

It's my opinion that Rivera is not the HC Harbaugh is.

It's my opinion that people who are fans of the Panthers think there is a lot more talent on the Panthers than there is.

It's my opinion that the lines are the most important pieces of the game of football and they hide a lot of deficencies.

It's my opinon that unless the Panthers fix both lines they will never be much more than what they are now.

Those are my opinions and you are entitled to yours.


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