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WE (K)NEED 1st ROUND TALENT ON OUR O LINE. period

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Have we ever spent a first round pick on a guard?? The answer is a resounding no. And we surely have had some good lines. Unless it is an offensive tackle to replace Gross, going O line in the first would be a waste of a top 15 pick.

We have gone O line- each time a tackle- 3 times in our history. Blake Brockermeyer (29) when we had 3 first round picks, Gross in 2003 at 8, and Otah in 2008 at 19. Of those only Gross really worked out well. Drafting a guard in the first is only a good idea if you don't have a lot of other pressing needs. That is clearly not us.........

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Defensive Tackle or Offensive Tackle would be prime picks at 14.

THAT SAID,

Warmack looks better than DeCastro, who was labeled "perfect" by so many draftniks last season.

If you can pick a player in the first that you believe can transform a unit (Offense/Defense) you pick that player.

I don't know if Warmack is that good, BUT having a middle of Warmack/Kalil/Almini could be pretty magical.

In my ideal world, Warmack is out target, but we trade back to say...21ish gain a extra pick in either 2/3 or more and still get a dominate player.

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Well in 2010 the 49ers used two first round picks on two OLine players. Davis and Iupati.

Sorry if I don't agree with plug and play patchwork players to protect our franchise player. And we do not have the cap flexibility to bring in quality pieces...at any position...

Funny...we gave the 49ers that pick to choose Everette Brown and Mike Goodson

All-Pro 1st team vs Two guys who aren't on our team anymore

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Funny...we gave the 49ers that pick to choose Everette Brown and Mike Goodson

All-Pro 1st team vs Two guys who aren't on our team anymore

Yea. Great pick in the first and he's a guard. Yet people on the huddle say "you can find guards in the 4-5 rounds"

If a dominant player is there. You take him.

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Have we ever spent a first round pick on a guard?? The answer is a resounding no. And we surely have had some good lines. Unless it is an offensive tackle to replace Gross, going O line in the first would be a waste of a top 15 pick.

We have gone O line- each time a tackle- 3 times in our history. Blake Brockermeyer (29) when we had 3 first round picks, Gross in 2003 at 8, and Otah in 2008 at 19. Of those only Gross really worked out well. Drafting a guard in the first is only a good idea if you don't have a lot of other pressing needs. That is clearly not us.........

So based on our history u suggest that we hand cuff ourselves and select another player or position based on past experiences and "value". What exactly is draft value and why does it matter that much to where it prevents a team from building itself by selecting quality players?

We aren't picking in the top 10 this year. Just an example...Warmack is a dominant SEC, monster, power guard. A mauler. Also a collegiate champion. We have issues with our line and protection. So because he's a guard this disqualifies him from being selected at 14??

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Warmack isn't talented enough to be picked at 14. He's not ten spots better than DeCastro was. If guard were really an impact position, a guy as good as DeCastro would have gone earlier. Teams know that they can find starters later, whether by drafting college guards or grabbing tackles and converting them. It just isn't a good place to spend those resources.

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So based on our history u suggest that we hand cuff ourselves and select another player or position based on past experiences and "value". What exactly is draft value and why does it matter that much to where it prevents a team from building itself by selecting quality players?

We aren't picking in the top 10 this year. Just an example...Warmack is a dominant SEC, monster, power guard. A mauler. Also a collegiate champion. We have issues with our line and protection. So because he's a guard this disqualifies him from being selected at 14??

Don't agree with your black and white concrete thinking. I think we use our first on a skill position and draft or pick up guards later in the draft or in free agency on a 1 year deal. Gettleman in his conference call today said you don't have to unload the bank or overspend for good players. They said they had success going after guys they wanted on short term contracts to fill in while you wait until the right circumstance to use your high draft picks.

So if Warmack is so great and is gone by pick 14 then what. Your obsession with 1 player is ridiculous.

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You don't need a ballin secondary to win. You do have to have a dominant o line to keep your qb clean and pound the rock. As for you DT and WR guys ask how Suh, Fairley and Megatron are enjoying the playoffs.

I think our defense is decent enough that we can overlook it this draft. When or if we do make the playoff next year and get exposed we can focus that draft in that position of weakness. But when I watch the seahawks and 49ers offense in this playoff both QBs have gaping holes to run through espcially in pass plays. Their OL wear the defense out. I am so jealous watching that knowing Cam could be having a field day with those defenses every weekend.

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I have no problem upgrading on the o line but don't think you have to waste your highest picks on guards for example. For example San Francisco which has the best offensive line running the ball according to Football Outsiders had a 5th rounder for a center, Goodwin. Alex Boone who starts at right tackle is an undrafted free agent.

The best line protecting the quarterback, Detroit, has a guard in Robert Sims drafted by Seattle in the 5th round. Peterman on the other side was picked in the third round.

Lets look at NE who everyone toutes as having a great line. They have the philosophy of the next man up after injuries have caused issues. Still when their right tackle went down, Volmer- a second rounder, Marcus Cannon stepped in who is a fifth rounder with good results. Dan Connolly, their starting right guard is an undrafted free agent.

Let me check the moon lately, maybe it is a tad bit blue..........................................

Well, it doesn't mean all the starting linemans should be first rounders. But you cannot get away with all of them being undrafted FA. Just like any team the best 2 or 3 players are normally first rounders with other supporting cast. When you have a big time talent on your teams he carries the load for the supporting cast. Some tacles are so good that in certain plays they can block 2 players at once. If you have two players like on your offensive line the supporting cast can get away with making mistakes. Remember, those O lines are going against first round talents like Watt, Von Miller, etc. every sunday.

Also, there is a difference between being a back up player and being the 'guy'. Back ups always come in games and do well until they're named the starter with bigger money and more expections then they crumble and get other players injured. When backups come in the game they're playing with house money.

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I think our defense is decent enough that we can overlook it this draft. When or if we do make the playoff next year and get exposed we can focus that draft in that position of weakness. But when I watch the seahawks and 49ers offense in this playoff both QBs have gaping holes to run through espcially in pass plays. Their OL wear the defense out. I am so jealous watching that knowing Cam could be having a field day with those defenses every weekend.

Everyone assumes the offensive line sucks because we have bad players. Lets consider when you lose your all pro center, move your starting right guard to center, have a rookie at left guard and have to juggle pieces around, what kind of continuity and chemistry can you have.

We need a right guard that is really it. We don't have to replace the whole line.

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