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WE (K)NEED 1st ROUND TALENT ON OUR O LINE. period


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#31 nagai

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

I like the point, hate the pun lol.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:56 AM

Not all great O-Lines have a bunch of 1st rounders on them and some pretty horrible ones do. It's not where the players are drafted that's important. This line isn't as bad as you are trying to make them appear. But there room for improvement starting at RT. I like Bell but an upgrade is needed.

You should watch the game we played Denver. Cam got destroyed by the Denver defense. Von Miller was doing the superman on almost every down. Now go watch the Denver defense against a playoff calier O line versus Baltimore. As immobile as Flacco is he barely got touch. The only mention of Von Miller was how ineffective he was.

If our prospective opponent in the playoff were the bottom tier teams then I would agree with you because we all know Cam would pull it out for us. But when the opposing team's QB's head look like they're watching nascar when going thru their progression, then things can get dicy.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:01 AM

I like the point, hate the pun lol.

I didn't mean any disrespect to RG3's injury. Just hate for us to face that reality. And it came pretty close against the Saint. One other thing I hate is how Cam keep bleeding in so many games hitting his finger against someone's helmet. I saw that in at least 3 games this year.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:05 AM

Get a G in the second or 4th, go DT in the first, secondary in the second.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:31 AM

Ryan Clady (DEN) - OT - After allowing 24.5 sacks over his past 3 seasons, Clady allowed just one this year proving again that the statistic is an equal measure of a tackle's play as well as his quarterback's experience and release. The symbiotic relationship also helps Manning step on the field knowing one of the premier pass protectors has his back. The Broncos have surely recognized this and will make re- signing Clady a priority this offseason. Though he reportedly turned down a 5- year, $50 million contract this past offseason, he has shown a desire to remain in Denver, especially with Manning behind him.

Jake Long (MIA) - OT - Though Long has only missed 6 total games over the past two seasons to a variety of injuries, he no longer looks the part of a premier tackle on the field. Injuries have certainly played a large role in his "decline" and a big part of why the Dolphins may not make a strong push for him. But with a number of makeshift offensive lines, the market for Long will still be strong. His $15.4 million salary if tagged gives Jake Long all the leverage and current pulse suggests he'll be playing elsewhere next season.

Branden Albert (KC) - OT - One of the bigger concerns in the Chiefs offseason outlook will be the medical situation of Albert's back and team's ability to retain him as their left tackle. Andy Reid's successful offenses have historically had strong tackles and with Winston on the other side, the Chiefs could already have that foundation in place without a single draft pick. Though his level of play isn't to be confused with Jason Peters who Reid had in Philly, Albert is a balanced tackle that can open up a variety of running lanes for Jamaal Charles in this new offense.

Sebastian Vollmer (NE) - OT - When healthy, Vollmer is arguably the best right tackle in the league; however for 2011 and the early portion of 2012, back injuries did him in. It'll be interesting to see how strong a push the Patriots make for Vollmer, who will be 29 heading into next year, and even more interesting to see if anyone takes a gamble on his injury history to beat the market if he tests open waters. Though he'll probably want to stay in New England, it wouldn't be shocking to see him take the money, having “only” earned his $3 million rookie contract to date.

Andre Smith (CIN) - OT - In a contract year, Andre Smith has played 2012 in the best shape of his career with equally impressive results on the field. Less than elite in pass protection, the Bengals have been among the most effective teams running behind right tackle with Green- Ellis averaging 5.0 yards a carry in that direction. Cincinnati has expressed serious interest in developing a dominant run game and losing Smith this offseason would be a step in the wrong direction. Expect the two parties to strike a deal.

Brandon Moore (NYJ) - OG - Though Moore will be 33 when the 2013 season begins, he may also be the best offensive guard on the market. With a Jets offensive line that was not too long ago the best in the league; they are now a big part of the retooling process that will sweep over the Jets organization this offseason. Amidst a tumultuous season, Moore remained true to himself and continued to play at a high level for the offense. It would be odd to see Moore in a different uniform, but given his age and the direction the organization should be heading (younger), it seems almost inevitable at this point.

Andy Levitre (BUF) - OG - With contract talks not far beyond the preliminary stages, Andy Levitre should at least have the opportunity to test the market this year. In a weak crop for interior linemen and league with many struggling offensive lines, Levitre, a 64 consecutive game starter, should have the opportunity to cash in on his consistency and dependability. With the run game as one of the lone bright spots on the team, the Bills should make retaining Levtire a high priority once the stability has been brought to the coaching staff.

#36 nagai

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:54 AM

I didn't mean any disrespect to RG3's injury. Just hate for us to face that reality. And it came pretty close against the Saint. One other thing I hate is how Cam keep bleeding in so many games hitting his finger against someone's helmet. I saw that in at least 3 games this year.


lol I'm not offended, it's just a really bad pun XD

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:22 AM

Can we:
(1) Cut Jordan Gross
(2) Cut Chris Gamble
(3) Cut all the scrubs and old vet(s): Naka, Ron, AE, etc
(4) Draft Warmack in the 1st
(5) Draft Aboushi in the 2nd
(6) Trade up for Da'Rick Rogers or Quinton Patton
(7) Sign Alan Branch
(8) Sign Antoine Cason
(9) Sign Patrick Chung
(10) Start Winning some damn GAMES


Hahaha I remember when you would talk poo to me and call me an idiot for wanting to cut Gross and draft his replacement.

Funny how much I influence you.

#38 MechaZain

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:45 AM

Hope Warmack has a bad combine. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:50 AM

You should watch the game we played Denver. Cam got destroyed by the Denver defense. Von Miller was doing the superman on almost every down. Now go watch the Denver defense against a playoff calier O line versus Baltimore. As immobile as Flacco is he barely got touch. The only mention of Von Miller was how ineffective he was.

If our prospective opponent in the playoff were the bottom tier teams then I would agree with you because we all know Cam would pull it out for us. But when the opposing team's QB's head look like they're watching nascar when going thru their progression, then things can get dicy.


If I recall correctly Kalil didn't play that game? Losing him was a huge loss. He's the star of that line now. Gross, while his play isn't what it use to be, is still a starting LT talent in the NFL.

Silatolu was a rookie but I liked what I saw so far. He will/can be a starting guard in the NFL. The biggest drop of though was at RG and RT although Bell at least has at least shown signs of improvement. But still an upgrade is needed.

I agree the line isn't where it needs to be but the cupboard isn't bare.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:50 AM

One thing I couldnt help but notice in the Seahawks game yesterday was just how GREAT the Seahawks O Line is. Wilson has all day back there to scramble around and find guys on comeback routes or scramble out the pocket himself. At 5;11 he's undersized greatly so it makes sense they go to great lengths to protect him. It would be nice to have a better O line for our star QB. Knowing us, we'll restructure a washed up Jordan Gross and go into the next 2 seasons with him as our "best lineman". We'll rave about his leadership since he signed our kids autograph in training camp that time 4 years ago and ignore him getting beat week to week.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:53 AM

Yes our line is as bad as we are making them out to be. None of them should be starting on a team in the NFL


well there are about 27 or 28 teams that would take our bum all pro center off our hands as a backup at least.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

1 Guard has been drafted in the top 16 since 1998. DeCastro went 24th last year, and he was highly respected. I think Warmack is the only road-grader in the draft, but 14th overall is pretty steep. I would trade down, if possible, and look for him around 20-24. If he is taken, I would draft Barrett Jones instead. He could end up as our LT when Gross leaves-I hear he has the ability.

I watched some You Tube game clips of Larry Warford from KY against Florida and Sharrif Floyd. I then watched Warmack vs. LSU. Warmack is better and gives no ground. He is 20 lbs bigger. However, Warford was very solid. Great technique and body positioning. I would be happy with either, but I would prefer Jones or Warford in the second round if you consider what we would have to give up by taking Warmack in the first.

I would be happy with Warmack, and I agree that the OL is the biggest need. I am so afraid that they will try to solve the problem by switching Silatolu and Hangarter since Hangartner had no business at RG. neither does Silatolu, but...

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

You have to throw out how teams used to draft. All of it changed when the rookie cap came into play. 3 years ago Warmack would not have made sense....now its close to a no brainer

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

In response to the comment that our OL has no legit starters:

Cut Gross and see how long he lasts on the market.
Kalil is considered to be one of the best by people who know the NFL and offensive lines.
Silatolu is a slow learner, but when the light comes on, he will beast.
I am not a fan of Bell at RT.
I do not think we have anyone who can play RG the way it needs to be played.

WIth a stud RG, Bell will get help from TEs and RBs. THere will be no need to double DTs as we had to do with Hangartner, leaving a back to block a DE, something we did at times. We are a good RG away from being very good up front.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:35 AM

You have to throw out how teams used to draft. All of it changed when the rookie cap came into play. 3 years ago Warmack would not have made sense....now its close to a no brainer


Coupled with the fact he is the best guard that has come out in some time.If he is there at 14 and we have him graded that high take him.Dam we have 80 million invested in rbs lets give them a line to run behind.


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