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[Vagrant]

Ah, there it is....

The blind double standard. You do realize Brady has done that for years.....in the regular season. You see, to them it is a game. They just do it.

Tom Brady doesn't pull that junk out only in postseason games or just when winning.

But thanks for helping aid the point I was making....

But you didn't link to a first down made in the regular season. You linked to this play. If you're trying to make a point about something, try to do it with facts pertinent to the point you want to make. This was a playoff game. He scrambled for a first down on 3rd and long, and his team went on to win that playoff game. A context for everything and for everything a context.

Had you started this thread with an example in a game where the Patriots were down big points in the regular season, you may have salvaged some semblance of a point. As it stands, you just missed the boat entirely on the reason the criticism is leveled at Cam for his first down celebration. It's the timing, it's the scoreboard, and it's the frequency.

I think Cam is a phenomenal quarterback, but to pretend like he does no wrong is just plain hero worship. I am happy he is on my team. I am happy when he takes pride in what he does, provided what he is doing is helping us win the actual damn game. I get just as annoyed when guys like Charles Johnson jump up and celebrate a sack in garbage time of a blowout loss, but when you're at the quarterback position your responsibility is magnified. Everybody is keeping their eyes on you to set an example for the rest of the team to follow. Most of the time that impression on the team from Cam is incredibly positive, but that annoying habit would be great to eliminate. I don't care what he does when he gets us into the endzone and the game is close.

[jtnc]

But you didn't link to a first down made in the regular season. You linked to this play. If you're trying to make a point about something, try to do it with facts pertinent to the point you want to make. This was a playoff game. He scrambled for a first down on 3rd and long, and his team went on to win that playoff game. A context for everything and for everything a context.

Had you started this thread with an example in a game where the Patriots were down big points in the regular season, you may have salvaged some semblance of a point. As it stands, you just missed the boat entirely on the reason the criticism is leveled at Cam for his first down celebration. It's the timing, it's the scoreboard, and it's the frequency.

I think Cam is a phenomenal quarterback, but to pretend like he does no wrong is just plain hero worship. I am happy he is on my team. I am happy when he takes pride in what he does, provided what he is doing is helping us win the actual damn game. I get just as annoyed when guys like Charles Johnson jump up and celebrate a sack in garbage time of a blowout loss, but when you're at the quarterback position your responsibility is magnified. Everybody is keeping their eyes on you to set an example for the rest of the team to follow. Most of the time that impression on the team from Cam is incredibly positive, but that annoying habit would be great to eliminate. I don't care what he does when he gets us into the endzone and the game is close.

Nope. That gif was from last month when the Pats faced the Texans.

[KendrickPanther]

But you didn't link to a first down made in the regular season. You linked to this play. If you're trying to make a point about something, try to do it with facts pertinent to the point you want to make. This was a playoff game. He scrambled for a first down on 3rd and long, and his team went on to win that playoff game. A context for everything and for everything a context.

Had you started this thread with an example in a game where the Patriots were down big points in the regular season, you may have salvaged some semblance of a point. As it stands, you just missed the boat entirely on the reason the criticism is leveled at Cam for his first down celebration. It's the timing, it's the scoreboard, and it's the frequency.

I think Cam is a phenomenal quarterback, but to pretend like he does no wrong is just plain hero worship. I am happy he is on my team. I am happy when he takes pride in what he does, provided what he is doing is helping us win the actual damn game. I get just as annoyed when guys like Charles Johnson jump up and celebrate a sack in garbage time of a blowout loss, but when you're at the quarterback position your responsibility is magnified. Everybody is keeping their eyes on you to set an example for the rest of the team to follow. Most of the time that impression on the team from Cam is incredibly positive, but that annoying habit would be great to eliminate. I don't care what he does when he gets us into the endzone and the game is close.

Your ignorance doesn't make for a strong arguement. Brady celebrates 1st downs all the time.

[KendrickPanther]

Winning by 21 pts. Eh....gotta rub their face in the mud eh Tommy boy.

[Vagrant]

Nope. That gif was from last month when the Pats faced the Texans.

Fair enough. The context of it being the playoffs can be totally dismissed. The two remaining factors to dismiss remain. The Patriots were winning the game and the issue of frequency which is a bit harder to nail down. I don't recall seeing Brady celebrating every rushing first down, but it's possible I am mistaken. The first criteria of at least being "in the game", on the scoreboard is certainly the more important of the two regarding criticism.

[jtnc]

More Brady professionalism.

[Vagrant]

Your ignorance doesn't make for a strong arguement. Brady celebrates 1st downs all the time.

Your spelling is bad and so is your logic. You didn't even present a counter to anything that post said, but you call it ignorant. Care to enlighten?

[rscott94]

Feel like I should put my two cents in this argument....

[KendrickPanther]

Your spelling is bad and so is your logic. You didn't even present a counter to anything that post said, but you call it ignorant. Care to enlighten?

I went after your arguement and you come after my spelling. Sounds like you have a strong leg to stand on. You are ignorant to Tom Brady's behavior. Your arguement is soley based on what you do not know and that is not much af an arguement at all.

[Vagrant]

I went after your arguement and you come after my spelling. Sounds like you have a strong leg to stand on. You are ignorant to Tom Brady's behavior. Your arguement is soley based on what you do not know and that is not much af an arguement at all.

I actually came after your lack of any cogent thought being put into your post. You must be a real hit on the debate team. Counter: you're ignorant. Case closed. But you're making baby steps. I have to give it to you. You almost made a point when you mentioned that I don't know or have any evidence for what Brady does after every first down, a fact which I readily admitted earlier. If you keep striking out at it you may eventually stumble across something close to a point.

[Mr. Burgundy]

And Kaepernick has half a season of impressive starts on an enormously talented roster, so I guess that gives him the right to spike the football at a defender correct?

No. Not at all the same thing... It's immature what cam does and it's immature for kaep to spike the ball at a ref. the difference is his team is in the NFC championship game next week

[KendrickPanther]

I actually came after your lack of any cogent thought being put into your post. You must be a real hit on the debate team. Counter: you're ignorant. Case closed. But you're making baby steps. I have to give it to you. You almost made a point when you mentioned that I don't know or have any evidence for what Brady does after every first down, a fact which I readily admitted earlier. If you keep striking out at it you may eventually stumble across something close to a point.

We should really see other people. You did attack my spelling. "Your ignorance" is correct. It shows you possess ignorance. You are ignorant is also correct, there is no internet bro code against typing out contractions long form. In fact there is no internet bro code on forum typing at all. Get over yourself, it's just the internet.

[KendrickPanther]

The one arguement I haven't seen and it's probably the most valid. Brady's celebration is very old school fired up, fist pump style. Cam's first down celebration is new and cute. Kind of gloaty. At the end of the day they are the exact same thing but I could see different generations percieving them differently.

[biggdownunder]

cam is the best football player ive ever seen. brady is a knob. cam gets called out for showing some swag after showing off his ridiculous athletesism. tom brady has people on a carolina forum call out cam for his immature nature all the while saying brady doesnt do things like that, on a day that he did it on national tv. difference being, cam looks like a confident stud celebrating 1sts, and when brady does it, he becomes the poster child for somebody thats just too damn white to have swag.

[RelaxImaPro]

Maybe I have a short memory... but I don't remember Cam ever celebrating touchdowns/first downs in garbage time or when we were getting blown out. Maybe that's because we were literally in every single game except two. Yeah, there was the Giants game, but as it has been pointed out many times before at that point in the game it wasn't really a blowout and plenty of time left for a comeback.

Besides, he's a highly competitive athlete who obviously takes a lot of pride in what he does, why do people really give a fug if he celebrates?