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[Montsta]

It's like when you're broke so you feel more comfortable hangin out with other broke people. We are two shitty franchises, so neither one of us has a superiority complex when we meet up.

[beastson]

Then we'd have to have dumped Ernie Accorsi.

He spent about 8 years in Cleveland.

No no no... not from Browns AT ALL

Straight from the Browns. That means Browns, and then next step is Charlotte. Banned

[Argus Plexus]

I think Rivera realizes that when you hire your friends (Rather than hiring the best person for.the job) you get a sht product most of the time.

[Kral]

"WTF is this relationship we have with the Browns?"

Unnatural

[Mr. Scot]

One quick word to the folks who want to avoid anyone who's spent any time whatsoever with Cleveland,

Hope none of you are fans of this guy...



He spent about seven years coaching there.

[Mr. Scot]

No no no... not from Browns AT ALL

Straight from the Browns. That means Browns, and then next step is Charlotte. Banned

Your original post...

JR needs to ban everything Browns related in our organization

Shurmur is the only recent Browns coach we're looking at right now. Could be more later. They do have some good people on the recent staff.

Again, I don't want Shurmur, but it's system related, not about his employer for the last two years.

And if it's guilt by association, Hue Jackson was fired by the Raiders and most recently was with the Bengals (ugh).

[Frash Brastard]

rip scherer was brought in from the browns, and our QBs immediately started to play like poo

[Ruff]

Shurmur and Rivera worked together with the Eagles for five years.

Chris Tabor used to be Dave Toub's assistant in Chicago. Rivera looked at him last year but we wound up with Murphy instead and he wound up in Cleveland.

Most of the Browns current assistants were somewhere else prior to joining Shurmur's staff in 2011.

People act like these guys never coached anywhere but Cleveland

I think he means more like, Jeff Davidson, Rip Scherer, Derek Anderson, etc. Not necessarily just the guys that are being mentioned now.

[Mr. Scot]

I think he means more like, Jeff Davidson, Rip Scherer, Derek Anderson, etc. Not necessarily just the guys that are being mentioned now.

Anderson being here was a direct result of Chudzinski. Technically so were Greg Olsen and Jeremy Shockey, so we can't exactly say he was all bad.

(honestly the whole notion that you can't pull good people from bad teams is kind of silly)

Again, it's more perception than reality. The next guy with a Browns connection that the team hires will be the only one (unless more are hired).

[TheRed]

Mr. Scot, defender of all things Cleveland Browns.

[RelaxImaPro]

[Mr. Scot]

Mr. Scot, defender of all things Cleveland Browns.

Hardly. I think the Browns are terrible and probably will continue to be so unless Jimmy Haslam makes some pretty radical changes (which could happen, but I don't think he's off to a very good start).

What I'm arguing against is this goofball notion that just because someone was part of a bad organization, they themselves are automatically bad by association. Using that logic, Calvin Johnson must suck because he's part of the Lions. Likewise Joe Thomas since he plays for the Browns. And of course, Bill Cowher can't possibly be a good coach because he spent a load of his coaching career in (dun dun dun) Cleveland.

Most coaching prospects have been with multiple teams over the course of their careers; some bad, some good. You gotta be able to look at individual performance rather than just making assumptions based on where they come from.

Making that kind of assumption is just lazy analysis.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

I'm not seeing a big connection. We are talking to Shurmur and the special teams coach. They've actually had good special teams over the years, so it's not like he's sucked at his job. The whole Chud and Anderson thing doesn't really make sense because they were both other places prior to coming here (SD and ARI). What else? Davidson a while ago? I'm not really seeing it.