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Panthers want 125 Million in taxpayer money.

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1358255269' post='2097594']

[b]What about older fans??[/b] My father has issues with his hip and knees and often bitches his way up those long winding ramps. Probably easier for someone who just walks down to the field with his camera.
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Offer hoverround rentals on gamedays!
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ok so $125 million, that cant be just for a video board and escalators. Anyone have an Idea what else they have in mind?

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I traveled to two Panters games in Sept (NO and NYG) from Germany. Flight with US Airways to Charlotte Airport, seven nights in a Charlotte Hotel, 7 times lunch, 7 times dinner, 7 days rental car, 2 gas fillings, 2 trips to the malls, 2 tickets for the game, 2 times gameday parking, spendings at the team store and several minor spendings. Generated a lot of taxes, all just because there are the Carolina Panthers in Charlotte. Would not have made the trip without the Panthers. Supported store-, business-, restaurant-, rental car-, gas station-, parking-, airport-, hotel- and Carolina Panthers-employees with my trip. Nuff said?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare

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[quote name='chknwing' timestamp='1358255541' post='2097602']
ok so $125 million, that cant be just for a video board and escalators. Anyone have an Idea what else they have in mind?
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They are going to have high def banners that wrap around the entire stadium and putting in wi-fi are two things I know of off the top of my head.

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[quote name='chknwing' timestamp='1358255152' post='2097590']
guys, look at this for what it really is. Do you think that tax disappears when the renovations are fully paid for? LOL of course not. After the Stadium renovations are paid for, which prolly wont be more than a couple of years imo, the tax money will then goto the city for schools, roads etc. I dont mind it one bit.
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Or streetcars that serve no real purpose than people saying, "look honey! A trolley!"
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[quote name='Jase' timestamp='1358256334' post='2097611']


Or streetcars that serve no real purpose than people saying, "look honey! A trolley!"
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Infrastructure

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Make it $250 mill and I am in.

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Wow the people who bring up schools and teacher pay raises in arguments against pro sports have no clue about running a business or simple economics. you bring in millions in revenue= you get paid millions.

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Just about every city pays for sports stadiums/ball parks/arenas/etc. Panthers stadium is one of the few that the city only contributed $60 million towards the stadium and JR raised the rest himself (mainly through PSLs).

People that think this is a bad deal just don't get it. Look what happened when Charlotte refused to build the Hornets a new stadium; how about Bruton Smith? There are a gazillion cities that would do anything to get a pro team and what JR is asking for us very, very reasonable.

Whine all you want but if you don't like it good luck finding a team that doesn't ask the city for $.

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The elevators are there for a reason. We don't need escalators. I can't believe this is gonna happen. What a waste.

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This franchise causes some of you so much stress and unhappiness its a wonder you stick with them. Its truly masochistic.


Seriously, do yourself a favor and find a way to spend your time that actually makes you happy.


And Id support a state wide tax to give JR the 125M and more.
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Seems reasonable to me. Cam's probably made the city that much money in the last year

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[quote name='Inimicus' timestamp='1358257286' post='2097626']
This franchise causes some of you so much stress and unhappiness its a wonder you stick with them. Its truly masochistic.


Seriously, do yourself a favor and find a way to spend your time that actually makes you happy.


And Id support a state wide tax to give JR the 125M and more.
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masochistic? I dont think we are being deprived sexually.

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As one who has done countless studies the econ impact is not quite what you may think. If there was no stadium those monis would be spent elsewhere.
Do biz's benefit from a stadium? Sure. The boon is more chamber of commerceish than bottom line.
If we can see proof that after the upgrades are done those taxes raised will go towards schools and city related things I'm down with that.
I can do without the wrap around banner thing. Wi fi is ok I guess for fantasy football.

I will check with my buddy from Dallas who does wi fi for stadiums worldwide to see what the true cost is.

I think its the idea JR is poor mouthing some when we all know he can afford this out of pocket as an LLC. Who gets to write of the depreciation of the stadium? Panthers or Charlotte? See?

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[quote name='osd22' timestamp='1358255579' post='2097605']
I traveled to two Panters games in Sept (NO and NYG) from Germany. Flight with US Airways to Charlotte Airport, seven nights in a Charlotte Hotel, 7 times lunch, 7 times dinner, 7 days rental car, 2 gas fillings, 2 trips to the malls, 2 tickets for the game, 2 times gameday parking, spendings at the team store and several minor spendings. Generated a lot of taxes, all just because there are the Carolina Panthers in Charlotte. Would not have made the trip without the Panthers. Supported store-, business-, restaurant-, rental car-, gas station-, parking-, airport-, hotel- and Carolina Panthers-employees with my trip. Nuff said?
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BTW: Planning the same for 2013 and the following years to come. The Panthers generate so much tourism, at least for 8 weekends a year (10 with the preseason). IMO the M125 shoud be a no brainer.

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[quote name='chknwing' timestamp='1358257389' post='2097628']


masochistic? I dont think we are being deprived sexually.
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the more you know...

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Panthers aren't going anywhere. The city will give JR everything he wants. For better or worse.

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Remember during the lockout the geniuses that sided with the owners who kept saying "well they're the ones that put up the capital!"

Yeah, go jump in a lake.

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[quote name='Jase' timestamp='1358254929' post='2097586']
Call them the Charlotte Panthers and it's a done deal.


125 million = 1 mile of light rail construction
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Why do we the residents of Mecklenburg. County get to pay for it when our name is the Carolina Panthers?

I'm not saying I'm for it or against it..but if our name encompasses 2 entire states..why does one county get stuck paying for it?

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You guys really care about a tax that could be like $.01 on some purchase item like food or whatever ...

Plenty of other cities paid for new stadiums.

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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1358256383' post='2097612']
Infrastructure
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window dressing

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[quote name='Mrs Pantherfan' timestamp='1358257838' post='2097636']
Why do we the residents of Mecklenburg. County get to pay for it when our name is the Carolina Panthers?

I'm not saying I'm for it or against it..but if our name encompasses 2 entire states..why does one county get stuck paying for it?
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Again, although it is the city of Charlotte paying the bill, it will probably come out of a hotel tax so that people from outside of Charlotte are actually providing the revenue. And although they are called the Carolina Panthers, Charlotte gets the economic benefits of having the team in their town.
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anyone know the total planned cost for the renovations, $125 million is only part, not all.

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1358258392' post='2097648']
Again, although it is the city of Charlotte paying the bill, it will probably come out of a hotel tax so that people from outside of Charlotte are actually providing the revenue. And although they are called the Carolina Panthers, Charlotte gets the economic benefits of having the team in their town.
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ok..that makes sense...I'm genuinely wondering..I'm not trying to start a debate or a fight...

oh...and will beers be $12 now instead of $10?? :)

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