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Here's an interesting article on homosexuality and biblical scholarship

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So it's ok to be gay if you aren't effeminate, or do you think all gay men are effeminate?

well he did pretty much say in plain language that one can't produce an effeminate man who isn't gay.

I Challenge you to show me an effeminate man and prove he is not gay.

fyi tbterror is the "newtown shooting was caused by secularization of our school system and working mothers" guy. he also posited that adam lanza's brother that he saw on TV was "pretty metrosexual" and implied that the shooter might have been gay.

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this is still a focal point of debate for the united states, and, with religious grounding being the primary cause, it's important for non-religious and fundamentalist religious people alike to read this article. there's a lot of excellent points worth considering (and many of them point to some much deeper questions about biblical scholarship and literalist interpretations, but that's another thread for another time.

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it's a good read and not terribly long.

I have to disagree with this to an extent. It depends on the parameters you set but the way I read Romans 1:26-27 it certainly seems like homosexual acts are sinful.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

edit: Maybe I should read more than just the OP before responding. looks like someone already brought this up.

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dc talk is a late 90's christian rock/rap group that helped usher in modern music into mainstream christian culture, and they met a lot of resistance from groups who saw rap and rock as intrinsically of the devil. one of their favorite tactics was leveling the term "effeminate" at one of the vocalists who wore his hair shaggily and wore floral print dress shirts, etc.

just providing context within tbterror's likely realm of knowledge and highlighting the fact that effeminate is a nuanced concept

Now this song is in my head. Thanks

The other night I met a girl, and she looked to be so nice I asked her for the digits, and she didn't think twice A couple of days later called her up and asked her out She said,"With you?" I said, "With me"

And then she said, "Without a doubt I took her to the garden where I guess they grow the olives She wore a tighter skirt than any I had seen in college

She said, "I love to smoke and drink, while cursing like a sailor" I asked her where she got her mouth, and if she had a tailor Finally I walked her to the door to say goodnight She said,"I am an apple, would you care to take a bite?"

Politely I refused and said, "I'm looking for a lady" So she slapped me in my face and said "Boy, you must be crazy"

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Now this song is in my head. Thanks

Awww Cat is having DCTalk concert flashbacks.

I tried to like Christian Rock, but man...its just awful.

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Awww Cat is having DCTalk concert flashbacks.

I tried to like Christian Rock, but man...its just awful.

yea... i wish i could say i tried... but i didn't. It seemed too incongruous to listen to both Slayer and DC Talk.

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well he did pretty much say in plain language that one can't produce an effeminate man who isn't gay.

fyi tbterror is the "newtown shooting was caused by secularization of our school system and working mothers" guy. he also posited that adam lanza was gay.

You almost quoted me right.. I wasn't answering the question of why did newtown happen/ not directly. I was responding to a poster who asked why MORE of these shootings were happening. The removal of the life lessons and morality the bible encourages from our school is where I lay the blame to the down trend of our society as a whole. Also the lack of attention to detail on how our kids are raised which can be directly attributed to putting their care in others hands.(ie woman going to work instead of raising their own TV, and Day Cares do this.) How people are raised and learn the lessons of life have a lot to do with peoples actions later in life no?

As far as the guy who posted above saying I care too much about the homo-issue umm bro I've started no topics on the matter.... so can I assume the huddle is Gay rights Gun/Anti gun obsessed? Thats pretty much all we talk about except for the random alien and gov conspiracy(which always leads back to guns).

I'm not sure if my opposition on these matters are pro gay or hardcore anti-religion.

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dude you're the pivot man in every discussion about homosexuality in the tinderbox

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Ok so you know where I stand. Its not right to me and I don't agree with it. I'm not running around with anti gay signs or trying to block them from anything. I'm not jumping in their faces and slapping them with my bible. I didn't see how that restaurant owner violated anything.

He did what his religion required of him and he did it in a subtle manner. He didn't shout and denounce them like some radicals would do.

I'm not keen on the idea of them raising children, but I'm not telling anyone to stop them from doing it. Its any responsible adults right to raise children.

I'm not for Gay marriage. I don't mind civil unions that allow insurance/ gov assistance to gay families, and binds them as partners. They can have any kind of ceremony they want to , just not the one that includes the christian god as it is offensive(to christians) to stand there and join in a bond thats supposed to be between a couple and god.

I've also gave my opinions on guns, how black people should be treated based upon percieved tipping habits and Left and Right agendas.

I haven't touched upon aliens and conspiracy much if any at all.

I pretty much read every post about guns, biblical stuff, and the waiting thing because my wife waitresses. If you can say other wise the say it.

This forum is a debating ground. I am your opposition. Deal with it.

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As far as the guy who posted above saying I care too much about the homo-issue umm bro I've started no topics on the matter.... so can I assume the huddle is Gay rights Gun/Anti gun obsessed? Thats pretty much all we talk about except for the random alien and gov conspiracy(which always leads back to guns).

Well I think we can all agree that the tinderbox has been quite terrible (even by tb standards) since the election

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The current state of the TB makes me sad.

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