How can people be degenerates and openly lay claim to beliefs among their peers but still feel shame when confronted by it with their elders. We all know people like this. Some of my friends are like this.(20-35 yrs old) They can go out and do all this tell me its perfectly fine and normal ,but let them present that to theirs parents even though said people range from 20- 35 there is no way they will do that. Because of Shame unless as I stated their parents were radical in nature Hippy/ Swinger or some type of anti mainstream society persons. This is what baffles. I know there are some shameless ones that pardon the phrase "dont give a flip"
You said something about genetics... well that is a stretch in its self. I can say its not impossible though I feel very unlikely that man ignored their instincts and set up their on morals which some how magically created the unatural but became natural effect of having felt shame.
Reread what I wrote. I did not assert anything as fact and merely flailed around imagining a possibility. I also openly admitted I didn't know and as such I do not expect you to subscribe to the thought I presented as truth. Maybe something to think about at most.
Shame is not unnatural. It is perfectly natural as evidenced by observing humans (a natural creature). Other animals might even experience it. We are discovering more and more about the sentience of other animals which is throwing many things we thought of as exclusively human right out the window. See crows having the theory of mind.
These people you mentioned have been conditioned to think this way by their early childhood experiences. What you described is an effect of negative reinforcement and not trusting one's parents because of childhood trauma or indoctrination. That is my suspicion anyway.
Anecdotal evidence is one of the weakest forms you can use to try to convince someone of anything. Keep that in mind when talking about your experiences and your friends experiences as anything more than a footnote to a previously otherwise supported point.
Now do you think that it makes more sense that genetics (which we can prove exists) or a deity (that we cannot yet prove exists) as the possible source of shame? What about as a result of indoctrination and childhood trauma versus a deity? Both of those options seem simpler to me and we can show that both of them actually exist unlike the deity that you claim and present no evidence for despite my earlier challenges. Please note I do not ask you to actually believe as true either hypothesis here only that you weigh them in relation to your claim of a deity.
I wish someone educated on the subject could give us some relevant opinion on observations of shame and the related effects within the human body.
As the previous poster also said: conditioning! I knew I was forgetting something important.
Also you labeling them as degenerates shows that BAM you just judged them despite what your religious text has to say on the matter.