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OK, so if no heir to Smitty is in our draft plans, or in the draft at all,then FA is critical


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#61 Marguide

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

Anwser the fuging question?


How many games did we lose because of our Sub par wr corp?


That's an impossible question to answer.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:16 PM

that's not the point.

until we seriously address it, we'll be stuck. we need better than smitty and meh....esp. if smitty gets hurt again and misses the season or retires.

we have to have balance. we don't have it. we are heavily weighted on the run side of things and that is always going to hold us back until we balance it out with a better WR corps.

again, i'm just glad to have someone in the FO that appreciates it AND has a clue about how to spot talent there.


We have tried to address it. We have 5-6 wr on the roster now under the age of 25.

Then add into the fact that not 1 wr in this draft is considered a sure fire number 1 wr.


You can't even say with any confidence that if we draft a wr early (in this draft). That they would beat out (in a fair TC competition) Lafell, Gettis, or Murphy.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:17 PM

We have tried to address it. We have 5-6 wr on the roster now under the age of 25.

Then add into the fact that not 1 wr in this draft is considered a sure fire number 1 wr.


You can't even say with any confidence that if we draft a wr early (in this draft). That they would beat out (in a fair TC competition) Lafell, Gettis, or Murphy.



Murphy????? LMMMMMAAAAAOOOO!!

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

That's an impossible question to answer.



Why is that impossible to answer?

I can name 3 games where Chud cost us.

I can name 2-3 on the O-line.

I can even put 2 Games on the secondary.

Why can't you tell me what games these Sub Par wr cost us?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

who is saying anything about our WRs losing games for us?

quit being so pissy. you're arguing something that no one else is arguing about.

it's about bringing balance to the team and recognizing that aside from smitty we've got jack at WR and that needs to be fixed for the offense to get taken to the next level and to make this team more of a complete threat.



And i totally disagree with you. I think with a better O-line and a OC that's not looking for a HC job more then he is trying better the team. We go to the next level.

I think we have the weapons now to be a top 5 offense with the right play caller and game plan.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

Why is that impossible to answer?

I can name 3 games where Chud cost us.

I can name 2-3 on the O-line.

I can even put 2 Games on the secondary.

Why can't you tell me what games these Sub Par wr cost us?


Because I could make an argument that every game we lost we might have won if we had a great WR and Smith/Olsen on the field at the same time. Do I believe we would have won them all? No. But putting a number on it is impossible.

You can't look at any 1 specific potential player and know exactly what their impact on the team would be.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:29 PM

Because I could make an argument that every game we lost we might have won if we had a great WR and Smith/Olsen on the field at the same time. Do I believe we would have won them all? No. But putting a number on it is impossible.

You can't look at any 1 specific potential player and know exactly what their impact on the team would be.


So you're dealing in fantasy when I ask for facts.

I can easily say that Chud cost us the 1st game against the Bucs. With his trick plays and unwillingness to stop using the read option. When it was clear that it wasn't going to work against a college coach who had time to plan for it. He got us in to many 3rd and long plays and never got ahead of the chains. He abandon the run game way to early and used to many vertical pass plays when the O-line was getting eaten up.

This is why I place Blame on Chud for losing this game.


You see how easy that was and I didn't have to use if this player or that player was here stuff.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

Murphy????? LMMMMMAAAAAOOOO!!

yeah...i'm not going to even bother further with that conversation.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:32 PM

I think our scrappy oline is the reason why we lost games. I can remember at least 3 times a game as soon as the ball was in cams hands it was like jot potato. He went down immediately, other times as soon as he got through his first progression he got blindsided.

Cam has had to play with his head on a swivel. I also seen many times lafell was open but cam didn't have time. Other times I've seen lafell getting double teamed. Why was lafell getting double teamed if he's crap.?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:36 PM

yeah...i'm not going to even bother further with that conversation.


Ok take Murphy out (even thoe he has a year in the system and did make some catches for us).

What Wr from this years draft are you confident. Will beat out Lafell and from day one replace Smith if he gets hurt?


Now Again I must mention that NO draft Analyst has said that any of the 2013 draft wr equal up to AJ Green Or Julio Jones. So you're not getting that kind of WR this year.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:39 PM

you get the best player you can, and again i said either the draft, FA, or trade for one.

but you don't go into the season with this WR corps you have.

it doesn't have to be a julio/green elite stud. it just has to be a legit WR threat who can be a #1 guy if we need.

and i don't have to pick the guy because gettleman will be doing it for me.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

you get the best player you can, and again i said either the draft, FA, or trade for one.

but you don't go into the season with this WR corps you have.

it doesn't have to be a julio/green elite stud. it just has to be a legit WR threat who can be a #1 guy if we need.

and i don't have to pick the guy because gettleman will be doing it for me.

so with our stable of wr who do we get rid of? We can't keep everyone.

also, I'd rather keep what we have and wait for the right gem because we still had a top rank offense with our rejects as you guys put it.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:46 PM

you get the best player you can, and again i said either the draft, FA, or trade for one.

but you don't go into the season with this WR corps you have.

it doesn't have to be a julio/green elite stud. it just has to be a legit WR threat who can be a #1 guy if we need.

and i don't have to pick the guy because gettleman will be doing it for me.



We are not going to be able to afford a number 1 guy in FA. You might as well let that dream go.

And there is no sure Fire number 1 guy in this draft plain and simple.

This Draft has quantity not quality at the wr position.

Again you would waste a high pick on a guy that in reality wouldn't start from day one and isn't a sure thing as a number 1 wr.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

so with our stable of wr who do we get rid of? We can't keep everyone.

also, I'd rather keep what we have and wait for the right gem because we still had a top rank offense with our rejects as you guys put it.

who do we get rid of? we don't get rid of guys, we upgrade.

those who i would be trying to upgrade are edwards, gettis, murphy, and pilares. nothing really special about any of those guys.

adams has some big play making ability so i'm curious to see what he has. lafell is reliable. smitty is big time. the rest of them though? meh...i wouldn't have a problem trying to upgrade any of them.

i don't want to sit around and do nothing and wait for some aj green guy to fall into our laps, because i'm hoping we're never in a position for that to happen.

it's all about trying to add more dimension to the offense and putting it over the top. we're too one dimensional right now. we're too heavily dependent on the run game. we need to have an offense that can kill you several ways. we're good, we can be better.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:51 PM

Rayzor read the post above, so who do we take in the draft? I only saw one and he catches the ball with his body and not his hands which will affect yac


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