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[Marguide]

So you're dealing in fantasy when I ask for facts.

I can easily say that Chud cost us the 1st game against the Bucs. With his trick plays and unwillingness to stop using the read option. When it was clear that it wasn't going to work against a college coach who had time to plan for it. He got us in to many 3rd and long plays and never got ahead of the chains. He abandon the run game way to early and used to many vertical pass plays when the O-line was getting eaten up.

This is why I place Blame on Chud for losing this game.


You see how easy that was and I didn't have to use if this player or that player was here stuff.

Ok, since you insist on being thickheaded, let me point out a few things...
1) If we had another weapon on offense, Chud may not have even used the same gameplan
2) Said receiver could have had a synergistic effect on our offense, making the other players more effective, especially for example, Smitty in the slot
3) Another downfield threat could have opened up our run game

But frankly, I expect most of this just goes right over your head.

[ThunderKatt]

I also want to say look at Atlanta, they had the best 3 receiving threats in the league and couldn't score in the 2nd half.

[rayzor]

We are not going to be able to afford a number 1 guy in FA. You might as well let that dream go.

And there is no sure Fire number 1 guy in this draft plain and simple.

This Draft has quantity not quality at the wr position.

Again you would waste a high pick on a guy that in reality wouldn't start from day one and isn't a sure thing as a number 1 wr.

the one that gettleman will find who can be that #1 guy won't be obvious to us. it will be a wes welker type guy that no one sees how valuable he can be.

it has to be something we take seriously. i don't care how good you think this WR corps is, it's not good enough and it can and should be upgraded. if gettleman thinks that there's a WR worthy of a first round pick, then we get him. if there's one worth a 2nd rounder then we get him. if there's one he thinks he'll be able to pick up in FA or via trade, then we get him and it will be worth it.

people just get too attached to mediocre talent around here. i'll never understand that.

our WR is weak by modern NFL standards. i'm sure there's some that are worse, but being better than the worst still sucks. we need to have a top level WR corps to match our top level defense, top level RB corps, and top level QB. yes, OL needs addressed as well, but just because there's not a julio in the draft doesn't mean we should rule WR out.

[rayzor]

I also want to say look at Atlanta, they had the best 3 receiving threats in the league and couldn't score in the 2nd half.

it's because they aren't balanced and have a habit of choking...but they wouldn't have been there in the first place were it not for them having the receiving corps they have.

[rayzor]

Ok, since you insist on being thickheaded, let me point out a few things...
1) If we had another weapon on offense, Chud may not have even used the same gameplan
2) Said receiver could have had a synergistic effect on our offense, making the other players more effective, especially for example, Smitty in the slot
3) Another downfield threat could have opened up our run game

But frankly, I expect most of this just goes right over your head.

yep.

better WR threats opens everything up.

[ThunderKatt]

I'm not saying to rule out a wr but I think we can find one in the 6th or 7th like we did gettis

[ThunderKatt]

Personally, I want to build up the defense with the first picks so we can compete highly in our division. We have one of the toughest divisions to compete in when you look at their offenses. We need a defense that makes them cringe when they see us on the schedule.

[koolkatluke]

Ok, since you insist on being thickheaded, let me point out a few things...
1) If we had another weapon on offense, Chud may not have even used the same gameplan
2) Said receiver could have had a synergistic effect on our offense, making the other players more effective, especially for example, Smitty in the slot
3) Another downfield threat could have opened up our run game

But frankly, I expect most of this just goes right over your head.

There we go with the fantasy again.

"if we had this or that this may have happened"


I choose to deal with reality. And reality is CHUD

Forgot Tolbert and the RB for most of the season.

CHUD forgot Olsen for Halfs of games.

Chud hardly ever used Barnige (who was finally healthy).

So in reality who knows what Chud would have done becuase he was barely using the weapons he had for most of the season.

[rayzor]

I'm not saying to rule out a wr but I think we can find one in the 6th or 7th like we did gettis

because that kind of thing happens all the time.

and gettis? meh....

[ThunderKatt]

because that kind of thing happens all the time.

and gettis? meh....

gettis lit it up his first year without a sta le quarterback. Look at his stats and compare to des Bryant the best receiver of that draft and you will see gettis was right there in stats with lafell.

[panthersphan]

Good thing is there are a lot of quality WR free agents this year...the bad thing is we have no cap space

[koolkatluke]

the one that gettleman will find who can be that #1 guy won't be obvious to us. it will be a wes welker type guy that no one sees how valuable he can be.

it has to be something we take seriously. i don't care how good you think this WR corps is, it's not good enough and it can and should be upgraded. if gettleman thinks that there's a WR worthy of a first round pick, then we get him. if there's one worth a 2nd rounder then we get him. if there's one he thinks he'll be able to pick up in FA or via trade, then we get him and it will be worth it.

people just get too attached to mediocre talent around here. i'll never understand that.

our WR is weak by modern NFL standards. i'm sure there's some that are worse, but being better than the worst still sucks. we need to have a top level WR corps to match our top level defense, top level RB corps, and top level QB. yes, OL needs addressed as well, but just because there's not a julio in the draft doesn't mean we should rule WR out.

I don't want you being Pissy and make dumb ass threads if he doesn't.

Again we had a top 10 offense with this same wr corp.

It wasn't our WR's that failed us this year (we were top 5 in least drops this year). It was our O-line and our Head up his ass OC.

[Marguide]

So in reality who knows what Chud would have done...

That was my whole point. We don't know and can't know because it didn't happen.

Look, I was thrilled when Chud left. I hated what he did to us the first part of the year. All we are disagreeing about is whether or not you could count how many fewer games we would have lost with a dangerous receiver added. There is just no way to know.

[top dawg]

The Ravens didn't start to get better until they made the changes to their O-line. You don't have to be Steve Wonder to see that they are able to make down field throws because their O-line is better. Not to mention Boldin isn't much faster then Lafell or Murphy and he is no where near as fast as Gettis.

Comparing Boldin to LaFell or Murphy is just wrong. Defenses don't fear Boldin or Murphy, and looking at history, why should they?

Without Torrey Smith and/or Anquan Boldin, Baltimore is just another good team built to succeed in the regular season and stall once they face superior and more complete teams in the postseason---O-line or not.

[koolkatluke]

Comparing Boldin to LaFell or Murphy is just wrong. Defenses don't fear Boldin or Murphy, and looking at history, why should they?

Without Torrey Smith and/or Anquan Boldin, Baltimore is just another good team built to succeed in the regular season and stall once they face superior and more complete teams in the postseason---O-line or not.

I was talking about in speed catagory. Actually I think Murphy is faster then Boldin and Lafell is about the same speed.

But my real point was (since you missed it). None of those down field throws would be possible if the O-line wasn't better after the change. You might be surprised what our offense would look like if the O-line could block.