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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

Cutler was sacked 38 times this year.
Vick and Foles were sacked a combined 48 times this year.

Other than that, rock solid point.


I knew someone would mention that. That Oline was atrocious, but I figure that was an anomoly with all of the injuries that happened that year on the O-line. Which is why I'm fairly certain Reid will draft Joeckel (sp.?) with that number one pick. Because he knows this, Lovie could not figure that out.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

the question is about how that relates to individuals of african descent in america today, and while there may be a handful of phenotypically "advantaged" individuals it's not the case for the vast majority of them.

I agree. And it's those with the phenotypically "advantaged" that are playing in the NFL/NBA/Soccer/etc. If you observe Cam Newton, you'll see a guy with very ong legs and short torso. That explains why he is so fast while being so big. Same for Calvin johnson and Randy Most. Kevin Durant is even more of an anomally. And you do not see those physical types among non-Africans.

If it's ok to admit that Africans have dark skin. Caucasians have white skin. A phenotypical trait, it shouldn't be too difficult to admit(although pointless) that Africans have long legs when it's as obvious to us as the skin tone for conversation sake.

And yes. WE ARE ALL THE SAME.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

Cutler was sacked 38 times this year.
Vick and Foles were sacked a combined 48 times this year.

Other than that, rock solid point.



http://espn.go.com/b...ompletely-toast


should have posted this with it.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

Word that the NFL may start requiring two or three minority candidate interviews rather than just one.

Honestly, you can't really fault a team for hiring the guy they really want, whatever his skin color may be.

Are there deserving guys out there who don't have head coaching offers? Yes, but they're not all minorities. That's just what happens when you have a very limited job pool.

Ditto the GM jobs, though on that front I'm actually more mystified than I am on the head coaching side. Specifically because I feel bad for Marc Ross. But on the flipside, I can't really look at any of the GM hires that happened and say "that guy wasn't qualified". They were good hires. Would Ross have been a better hire than any of them? Debatable, but there's none I can see he's clearly superior to at this point.

Still would love to see Ross come to Carolina in an "heir apparent" role, but if that happens, it won't be this offseason.

Speaking of the Panthers, two of the four candidates interviewed for the GM opening were minorities (most qualified guy got the job) and more than one of last year's head coaching candidates was a minority. In fact, one got the job. So while you can point fingers at a lot of teams, the Panthers really aren't one of them.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

I'd add there is one thing that I think bodes well for future minority candidates.

Of the hires made this season, only one head coach was a retread and none of the GMs were.

Teams are looking for new blood rather than recycling the old guard. I think that's a good sign.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:38 PM

Unfortunately saying we've make great strides in race relations while referring to a Pakastani American as "Arab" doesn't come close to being the most ironically ignorant post in this thread.



thanks for the correction my fault. but you understand what i was trying to say.

and to the guy that says lovie didnt protect cutler...isnt it the gm job to draft superstar oline men not the coaches??

so how could you pin that on lovie

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

Body proportion and height is a completely different thing. The pygmys who live in deep forest area that average about 4'5" in height also have tropical body proportion. Meaning their legs are disproportionately longer than their torso. Have you ever heard the term that black people have a lower sitting height than other non-Africans?


Honestly where are you getting this from?


People of African decent tend to have a higher risk of miscarriages since their torso is shorter than other non-Africans their birth canal are shorter so it becomes difficulty to give birth to large babies.



No evidence to support you claim, however...


http://oehha.ca.gov/...ffic120809.html

http://www.fetalmedi...miscarriage.pdf



Also, African-Americans originate in western Africa(Ivory Coast region). They're the same people you see in the NFL/NBA/Soccer/etc. They don't average no damn 5'7. But I do agree that the Dinka of South Sudan and other tribes in the horn of africa do tend to be tall.


Yes the Ivory Coast was a major hub port for the African Slave Trade. However, only a small portion of the men and women sold into slavery were actually from the coastal region. The majority of people sold into slavery were captured closer to the central regions of Africa. The slave traders could not get into Africa in sufficient numbers to take over militaristically by using the coast and they could not do so across the desert. So, missionaries began to spread and interact with local tribes teaching them European languages. Afterwords, technologies such as guns were introduced to certain ethnic groups that were receptive to trading with the Europeans. Through encouragement, bribery and trade, they began to draw lines of division among the different ethnic groups, sparking wars and breeding hate amongst groups that had lived together peacefully for centuries. The losers, regardless of any previous trade agreement with the Europeans were often sold into slavery. This lack of concern for previous ties or treaties meant that many different ethnic groups in Africa became slaves. The remaining Africans lost many of the original geographic boundaries that separated them from each other, making the subsequent colonization from Europe possible.

This is how the history of the slave trade is taught throughout Europe and Africa and most of the developed countries I have been to.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

Honestly where are you getting this from?





No evidence to support you claim, however...


http://oehha.ca.gov/...ffic120809.html

http://www.fetalmedi...miscarriage.pdf





Yes the Ivory Coast was a major hub port for the African Slave Trade. However, only a small portion of the men and women sold into slavery were actually from the coastal region. The majority of people sold into slavery were captured closer to the central regions of Africa. The slave traders could not get into Africa in sufficient numbers to take over militaristically by using the coast and they could not do so across the desert. So, missionaries began to spread and interact with local tribes teaching them European languages. Afterwords, technologies such as guns were introduced to certain ethnic groups that were receptive to trading with the Europeans. Through encouragement, bribery and trade, they began to draw lines of division among the different ethnic groups, sparking wars and breeding hate amongst groups that had lived together peacefully for centuries. The losers, regardless of any previous trade agreement with the Europeans were often sold into slavery. This lack of concern for previous ties or treaties meant that many different ethnic groups in Africa became slaves. The remaining Africans lost many of the original geographic boundaries that separated them from each other, making the subsequent colonization from Europe possible.

This is how the history of the slave trade is taught throughout Europe and Africa and most of the developed countries I have been to.




okay i get what you saying but how come most blacks have wide nose frame to the whites narrow form?? genetics have to play a role someway man even if not by alot.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

How come we passed over a far more qualified black man for the OC position? JRs southern roots exposing themselves?


We have a minority HC....

Rivera just has the late Fox handicap. No new coaches are not going to get multi year deals. Therefore, Shula was the obvious call.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

thanks for the correction my fault. but you understand what i was trying to say.

and to the guy that says lovie didnt protect cutler...isnt it the gm job to draft superstar oline men not the coaches??

so how could you pin that on lovie


It boils down to three things;

1. Communication -- Ever notice the Head Coach and the GM in the same room during the Draft? He should be screaming for Oline help. It was obviously a terrible part of that team. They drafted 3 O lineman the past 4 years. No O-line in this past draft. Zero.

2. Coaching -- Lovie hired tim holt at the beginning of 2012, an assistant offensive line coach for the Bucs, the year they had that HORRID offensive line in 2011.

I remember reports coming out where Lovie stated he thought the offensive line was fine for 2012. Which is why they didn't draft any lineman for the 2012 team. I remember Cutler being very upset about this. Considering he was injured in that Championship game.


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