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When was the last time a franchise QB willingly left a team?

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A first and a second that could have become a first if Oakland made the playoffs

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He is no longer rightfully called a "franchise QB" but Carson Palmer was considered one at the time he forced his way out of Cincy.

When is the last time a potentially elite QB had to endure years of losing? As long as we're talking in hypotheticals, let's go there too.

No one can say what will happen, but I don't see Cam staying a highly motivated, hard working QB for this organization if we don't have some success and if there is a perception that our FO is making a half-assed effort.

I will say this again, I love Cam Newton (that should be obvious by now) but he can do a A LOT more to help us win those one score games. And I think Cam would agree with me. I don't think he blames Ron or JR for these last two seasons. i think he blames himself first and foremost. Which is a good thing because he realizes that he can get better, and as a result the team will get better.

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Yep, Marc Bulger came in. Same thing happenes to him in New York with Eli.

Yea in NY they realized he can't play for poo without two elite WRs

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The better question should be "when was the last time a franchise qb entering their prime left for another team?" And Eli doesn't count

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I will say this again, I love Cam Newton (that should be obvious by now) but he can do a A LOT more to help us win those one score games. And I think Cam would agree with me. I don't think he blames Ron or JR for these last two seasons. i think he blames himself first and foremost. Which is a good thing because he realizes that he can get better, and as a result the team will get better.

The only close game you can even come close to putting on Cam is Seattle and even that one I have to split with Chud because I don't agree with that lower percentage play at that point in the game where they were.

Before you cite the fumble in Atl, that's just the sort of thing that happens. It didn't end our chances of running out the clock, Rivera refusing to let him fall forward on 4th and 1 and Nakamura take full blame for that game.

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I may be misremembering it, but I don't think Warner forced his way out of St. Louis. I think he got hurt or something and they replaced him. The circle of life and all that...

The Op didn't ask who forced their way out of town:

When was the last time a franchise QB willingly left a team?

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The Op didn't ask who forced their way out of town:

Ok, I worded it wrong, but I still don't think it counts because at that point Warner wasn't a franchise QB. He proved it by sucking in NY.

I will admit it's close and just a matter of perception whether it counts.

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Ok, I worded it wrong, but I still don't think it counts because at that point Warner wasn't a franchise QB. He proved it by sucking in NY.

I will admit it's close and just a matter of perception whether it counts.

Actually Warner was still a Franchise QB as he proved later with the Cardinals taking them to the Super Bowl.

Just not that one year in NY.

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Kurt Warner was not a franchise QB. I would be decent with.Fotz, Boldin, Torry Holt and Issac Bruce...AND 28

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I don't think anyone outside of Oakland thought Palmer was a franchise QB when he forced his way out of Cincinnati.

Now Jawny, it's time to go back in time a couple years...

Don't you remember some of the arguments on here pre-draft with a pretty sizeable contingent thinking we should draft Dareus or someone other than Cam and try to get Palmer or Kolb? You and I may not have considered him a franchise guy, but many thought he could be the guy again in the right environment.

I will say this again, I love Cam Newton (that should be obvious by now) but he can do a A LOT more to help us win those one score games. And I think Cam would agree with me. I don't think he blames Ron or JR for these last two seasons. i think he blames himself first and foremost. Which is a good thing because he realizes that he can get better, and as a result the team will get better.

Of course he blames himself. That is what the great players usually do. But Cam is very ambitious and wants to be remembered as one of the greats. Should we continue to lose (and I don't think we will long-term), at some point it might wear on him enough to act as a de-motivator.

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Kurt Warner was not a franchise QB. I would be decent with.Fotz, Boldin, Torry Holt and Issac Bruce...AND 28

OK.....

So the 4600 yards and 30 TDs and the 1200 additional yards he tacked on in the 2008 Playoffs on the way to the Super Bowl don't qualify as Franchise numbers.

Just what parameters do?

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The only close game you can even come close to putting on Cam is Seattle and even that one I have to split with Chud because I don't agree with that lower percentage play at that point in the game where they were.

Before you cite the fumble in Atl, that's just the sort of thing that happens. It didn't end our chances of running out the clock, Rivera refusing to let him fall forward on 4th and 1 and Nakamura take full blame for that game.

The Dallas game he had a drive with a chance to win and didn't succeed. But I usually don't blame one person for any game we lose. Even a QB. But I think we can all agree that Cam struggled some at the beginning of the season, and we may have left some games on the table by not being more efficient on offense.

Hey, I am one of the founding members of the Cam Newton Nuthuggers Society, so I am not blaming Cam individually for the losses. However, there are things Cam can get better at that will eventually be the difference between 7-9 and 10-6 or better.

It isn't like he is throwing 35+ tds and having less than 10 INTs these last 2 seasons. I hope and think that may be where he is heading, but he has a lot of growing yet to do as a QB. And as he improves, we will win more, and thus he will still be happy.

And all will be well.

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