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When was the last time a franchise QB willingly left a team?

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[quote name='Kevin Greene' timestamp='1358579973' post='2104448']


OK.....
So the 4600 yards and 30 TDs and the 1200 additional yards he tacked on in the 2008 Playoffs on the way to the Super Bowl don't qualify as Franchise numbers.
Just what parameters do?
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Look what he "did" in NY. Respond accordingly. Not to mention Brady Quinn looked like Joe Montana a month ago.

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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1358579373' post='2104447']
Now Jawny, it's time to go back in time a couple years...

Don't you remember some of the arguments on here pre-draft with a pretty sizeable contingent thinking we should draft Dareus or someone other than Cam and try to get Palmer or Kolb? You and I may not have considered him a franchise guy, but many though he could be the guy again in the right environment.


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And those people were dumb. :o You think Hurney gets poo now, could you imagine if he would have mortgaged our future on one of those guys AND/or passed on Cam Newton.

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[quote name='Not-Awesomeness' timestamp='1358580154' post='2104452']
Look what he "did" in NY. Respond accordingly. Not to mention Brady Quinn looked like Joe Montana a month ago.
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Let's see....
2004 with the Gmen Warner started the 1st 9 games of the season going 5-4.
2100 passing yards, 63% of passes completed, 86.5 QB rating.
At that point the HC handed the ball to Eli who promptly finished the season 1-6.

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[quote name='Kevin Greene' timestamp='1358579167' post='2104442']


Actually Warner was still a Franchise QB as he proved later with the Cardinals taking them to the Super Bowl.
Just not that one year in NY.
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I said Warner was not a franchise QB at the time, which he proved by sucking in NY. He's only been a franchise QB when he has not 1, but 2 elite WRs.

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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1358579373' post='2104447']


Now Jawny, it's time to go back in time a couple years...

Don't you remember some of the arguments on here pre-draft with a pretty sizeable contingent thinking we should draft Dareus or someone other than Cam and try to get Palmer or Kolb? You and I may not have considered him a franchise guy, but many thought he could be the guy again in the right environment.
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I remember those talks here, and I'm pretty sure all the arguments for him were not because he was a franchise QB but some felt he could be a serviceable stopgap since at one point no one trout there were any franchise QBs in that draft. At best he was viewed as a potential Delhomme.

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[quote name='Kevin Greene' timestamp='1358579973' post='2104448']


OK.....
So the 4600 yards and 30 TDs and the 1200 additional yards he tacked on in the 2008 Playoffs on the way to the Super Bowl don't qualify as Franchise numbers.
Just what parameters do?
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And I'm not saying Warner was a bad QB. I do think he is a bit overhyped, since he's always had to have two elite WRs to be good, but if you put him on a middle of the road team (like the Giants that year) he'll play middle of the road. If you give him a great OC and two great WRs he'll play great. He was only as good as those around him, whereas the truly elite "franchise" guys I think of make the guys around them better.

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[quote name='Kevin Greene' timestamp='1358578781' post='2104438']
The Op didn't ask who forced their way out of town:
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No one thought Kurt Warner was still a franchise QB after he left St. Louis. He was awful his last two seasons there. And he was released, and it wasn't his decision to leave St. Louis.

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[quote name='JawnyBlaze' timestamp='1358581272' post='2104466']
I remember those talks here, and I'm pretty sure all the arguments for him were not because he was a franchise QB but some felt he could be a serviceable stopgap since at one point no one trout there were any franchise QBs in that draft. At best he was viewed as a potential Delhomme.
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That would have been even worse. Who would trade 2 early round picks for a stop gap QB??

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1358581974' post='2104473']

No one thought Kurt Warner was still a franchise QB after he left St. Louis. He was awful his last two seasons there. And he was released, and it wasn't his decision to leave St. Louis.
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Apparently they were wrong. ;)

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Yea, woulda been catastrophic.

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While Cam is indeed our franchise, he's not yet a Top 5 QB. So the better question to ask is, has a starter ever willingly gone on to a different team. Many come to mind: Brees, Orton, Tebow (from Playoffs to laughing stock), P. Manning, Montana, Warner, Delhomme, Pennington, Bledsoe, McNair, Favre, Palmer, Campbell... you know what, it's almost 4 AM and I'm tired, I don't even know what I'm typing or if I'm making sense. But the fact is, great QBs have indeed changed teams. The elite usually don't though. So if Cam continues to trend toward being elite, he won't go anywhere. If he just stays great on an average team, anything is possible.
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Yea, if the discussion was "has an above average QB ever changed teams for any reason whatsoever" you'd be right. But I don't think that's the point of this thread. I think the point of it was "has a franchise QB (something Cam is and half the guys you listed aren't) ever left a team because he didn't want to be a part of that organization any more (not because the organization didnt want him any more)?" The answer to that question is very very rarely.

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