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megadeth078

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megadeth078    892

Why aren't you giving Shula the benefit of the doubt? Everyone has seen our offense march down the field (easily!!!) against the best teams in the league only to be forced to punt because of Chud's ridiculous ego and read option bullsh*t. Why are we so skeptical about our 2013 offense when Shula gets to straight-up copy Chud's offensive playbook and is able to prevent this offense from making the same obvious mistakes? If the woes of this offense are obvious to everyone on this message board, why can't it be obvious to Shula? I know that everyone seems to think that you need to be a good position coach before you become a good offensive coordinator, but that is just false.

Shula was a mediocre QB coach, but that doesn't mean that he can't copy Chud's offense and turn it into something that is actually consistent. Everyone was so positive that our offense would be good without Chud, and now that we get the opportunity, you guys are still negative about it. We finally have the opportunity to rid ourselves of an egotistical maniac that ran our offense worse than a madden online player, and you guys fail to see the positive in that. If Shula ends up running a worse offense than Chud, then I'll be pissed, but I'm not going to easily forget how horribly Chud ran our offense in 2012. I'm gonna give Shula a chance. You can keep being emo fine young males if you want.

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Zod    14,969

You assume being a good offensive coordinator is having a nice big playbook of plays. Unfortunately, its not that easy. Its a chess match against other defensive minded coaches in the league. Its trying to see what the defense is doing and exploiting their weaknesses. And not just on gamedays mind you, its all week long in picking which plays you are going to practice throughout the week.

Shula has failed at this throughout his career, both as an OC and a HC.

Now, he seems to be a good positions coach. That does not require anything but communication skills and knowledge of the QB position, which he has. That may be his ceiling.

The good news? There is a chance he has changed and can be good enough provided a top 5 defense to win some games. Thats what he did in Tampa, and he has better tools here. If he can just strive to be mediocre, with the offense ranking somewhere between 15-20 it may be good enough for playoffs (again, provided a top notch defense which we appear to be on route to having).

Or hell, maybe I am completely wrong and Shula will come out and light it up for 30+ per game on the way to a superbowl. If that happens I will be the first one to happily eat my words.

I'm hoping for that last thing.

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CRA    12,196

Yep, the Jimmy and Joes are more important than the X's and O's.

Get players and suddenly coaches look good.

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Catalyst    612

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not optimistic. I'm also worried about who we'll bring in as the new QB coach. I actually really liked Shula in that role. Cam is still young enough and early enough in his development that a bad QB coach in year 3 could really harm his development/career.

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TheRumGone    14,287

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not optimistic. I'm also worried about who we'll bring in as the new QB coach. I actually really liked Shula in that role. Cam is still young enough and early enough in his development that a bad QB coach in year 3 could really harm his development/career.

I think Shula will be both the QB coach/OC. A lot of teams do that.

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TheRumGone    14,287

at least now in 3rd and 1's and 3rd and 2's he wont go chud retard and do shotgun spread option. Ground and pound will be back.

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TopCat    271

Shulas past coaching jobs are an unfair way to judge him. He was basically forced by Dungy to run a conservative offense with not a lot of skill, and in Bama he was going into a lose lose situation that anyone wouldn't succeed in.

This is Shulas first real shot to show what he's got. Give him a chance.

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Zod    14,969

Shulas past coaching jobs are an unfair way to judge him.

Think about that for a second.

Also, you know next to nothing about what was going on in Tampa under him.

It wasn't that the offense was conservative. It was that it was inept. Inept with a pro bowl QB and 2 pro bowl RBs. Think about that.

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Cyberjag    1,987

Obviously Shula will be completely different this time, because apparently he didn't have a playbook in Tampa Bay? Or because he worked for a conservative coach, and Rivera's not?

Zod's right, it's about knowing what play to call and when, it's not about being able to install an offense. And whenever Shula has been tasked with the tactics instead of the strategy, he's failed.

This time will be different though, because Bill Belichick.

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Cyberjag    1,987

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFeC-ABcIpU

At least he has a sense of humor.

Good, because this is a joke of a hire.

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Sloth    924

Shulas past coaching jobs are an unfair way to judge him. He was basically forced by Dungy to run a conservative offense with not a lot of skill, and in Bama he was going into a lose lose situation that anyone wouldn't succeed in.

This is Shulas first real shot to show what he's got. Give him a chance.

Dungy's conservative offense shot from bottom of the league to the top the very next year Shula left. With Dilfer's backup.

At Bama he was known for being a bad play caller and they were completely thrilled when he was left.

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rayzor    10,329

shula's well deserved reputation is that of a bad play caller. bad and uncreative decisions that take too long to get to the QB.

no one doubts he is a good guy. no one doubts his chemistry with cam. it's his proven record as a playcaller. it doesn't matter who you have on the field or how great the playbook is if the coaches making the decisions on the field can't be trusted to make good and/or quick decisions.

giving this team the benefit of the doubt is all we do because all they do is give us reason to doubt. at some point you start noticing that giving them the benefit of the doubt has only paid off four seasons out of 17 and regardless of the studs we have at QB & MLB, you doubt the coaches ability to pull the best out of the players. you doubt their ability to make good consistent decisions, esp. when it matters most.

promoting shula did nothing to make me feel better about this coaching staff's ability to make good game time decisions, in fact it made me have less confidence in them.

I'll cheer for them and hope this works, but i have faith only that this team will continue to do what it's evidenced itself to do...blow close leads (that i think will come less often now) and lose games until the end of the season after the team is eliminated from playoff contention.

am i wrong? i hope so and it sure wouldn't be the first time, but until they can prove they can win when it matters instead of just trying to save their coach's job at the end of the season, i will not believe. i won't be suckered into believing in them again until they give me proof it's worth it.

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