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For everyone that thinks our offense would be top-tier if Chud stopped going full-retard...

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He never had to start King. He had Dilfer for his entire tenure.

His replacement came in and jumped the offense all the way up to 6th. With Shaun King.

King went 4-1 as a starter under Shula in 1999 as a rookie. Not his fault he was stuck with Dilfer so long.

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No mention that he took a QB that had 4 TDs and 18 INTS as a rookie in 2005 and in two seasons Shula had him at 21 TDs and 11 INTs in 2007? He took a guy that was as bad or worse than Jimmy Clausen and made him respectable.

And he was replaced by Les Steckel in 2000 who was a failure in Minnesota . I wonder if the fans were like "NOOOOO he was a failure in Minnesota in 1986 where his offense finished near the bottom of the NFL... Derpa derpa!!1111!"

By the way Steckel failed in Minnesota, then 13 years later was hired by Tennessee as OC and was successful. Hmmmmm

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As HC? Did Bama not have an OC or QB coach? Can we throw out Shula's work with Cam and assign credit for his development to Rivera?

Also, since it looks like the metric for successful coaching is failure + indeterminate amount of time, I really think we should keep Jeff Davidson's name in mind. He was horrible, but that was years ago and he's got to be getting good now.

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He never had to start King. He had Dilfer for his entire tenure.

His replacement came in and jumped the offense all the way up to 6th. With Shaun King.

His last year he Tampa went 7-3 with Dilfer and 4-1 with King.

There offense was technically ranked 21st that next season....O rankings are based on yards.

But like I said, it is about the Jimmy and Joes for a OC. Look at who his QBs and WRs were......they were bums. Give anyone bums and the O will suck. There is a reason they went out and got Keyshawn the year after.

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Yeah I'm on Shula's side until he proves himself otherwise.

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As HC? Did Bama not have an OC or QB coach? Can we throw out Shula's work with Cam and assign credit for his development to Rivera?

Also, since it looks like the metric for successful coaching is failure + indeterminate amount of time, I really think we should keep Jeff Davidson's name in mind. He was horrible, but that was years ago and he's got to be getting good now.

I don't recall anyone saying Davidson sucked when Carolina went 12-4 in 2008 ( top 10 O in yards and pts)....which was the only season he didn't have laughable QB play overall on a season sabataging things.

Guys on the field ultimately is what matters....

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I don't recall anyone saying Davidson sucked when Carolina went 12-4 in 2008 ( top 10 O in yards and pts)....which was the only season he didn't have laughable QB play overall on a season sabataging things.

Guys on the field ultimately is what matters....

Just to make sure I understand, your position is that Davidson was a good OC being held back by players?

Or is it that coaches don't matter at all and it's all on what players you have?

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I am sure the fact he had to ask guys like Shaun King to execute the plays had nothing to do with things not working well.

Tampas offense, led by Shaun King, improved greatly after Shula was canned. It's a fact and all you need to know.

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His last year he Tampa went 7-3 with Dilfer and 4-1 with King.

The defense was allowing close to single digits all season. They won the games despite the awful offense, not because of it.

I remember at one point the media hounding Dungy on why the offense was so horrid. Being the loyal guy he is, he said its the defense's fault for not scoring points on their own. Lol

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I'm sorry but when a coach has a choice of OCs and picks the worst resume, I worry. Rivera is gone already he just does not know it yet.

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So, CRA, let me get this straight...by your reasoning we could hire anyone as OC and the results would be comparable because it's all about the Jimmies and Joes?

In that case, maybe they should have just hired Martha Stewart. It would probably increase women's interest in the sport and according to you it doesn't matter if she has no clue what she's doing.

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The locker room would smell better I think.

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