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I'm not so sure just winning 9 games will save his job... Jerry wants his team in the playoffs

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While they might consider that as a benefit, it won't be a driving factor. They expect to win next year just like they did this year. Expectations will be even higher. If this year looked like a repeat of 2004, then we can all hope that next year will resemble 2005, at least in terms of making the playoffs. Richardson hired Gettleman to get the talent and manage the cap. He kept Rivera because he thinks he is trending upwards and realizes we were a half dozen plays from the playoffs in 2012. With even better talent we might make those half dozen plays or at least make our share.

You are right. I also think there is Gettleman and Richardson trying to give Rivera every chance he can get to do well with the continuity...so that there are no excuses next year.

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I agree with Zod. This was a short sighted move where playoffs is the ceiling. Forget glory and Super Bowls we can't out gameplan the best in the business with Mike Shula.

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I agree with Zod. This was a short sighted move where playoffs is the ceiling. Forget glory and Super Bowls we can't out gameplan the best in the business with Mike Shula.

Cam Newton can however become a one man wrecking crew regardless of OC if we are lucky

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I agree with Zod. This was a short sighted move where playoffs is the ceiling. Forget glory and Super Bowls we can't out gameplan the best in the business with Mike Shula.

I think the bigger issue is who we brought in.

Shurmur is terrible and Jackson had big red flags.

We couldn't find one better candidate? Shula was arguably the best of the three given our situation.

Recall what Richardson said about Harbaugh:

I had not thought about talking to him about a head coach,

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Isn't that obvious?

Shula is Rivera's best hope at keeping his job. Not because he is the best OC available, but because he does not have to completely overhaul the current offense.

Hiring an outsider offensive coordinator would mean the entire offensive staff would be gone and a completely new offensive system in place. A new playbook. New terminology for the players to learn. New chemistry to be developed between players and coaches. Often, this can take more than one season to start yielding results.

Rivera does not have more than one season. If the Panthers do not win this year, he is gone. He knows it, everyone knows it.

So put yourself in his shoes. Knowing you can only lose 7 games next season or your ass is fired, would you

1: Hire a completely new offensive staff and implement a new system knowing in all likelyhood it will take a good of time to develop into a good offense if ever at all. or...

2. Promote from within and hope the current offense can be good enough to get you 9 wins. No learning curve, fewer variables.

Lets be clear here. The Shula hire was not made because he was the best candidate. Shula was hired because it presented the best option for Rivera to possibly win 9 games next season. It was a last ditch short term job saving hire. Any considerations past 2013 are an afterthought.

Admittedly I have not read the entire thread. So maybe this question has been asked.

But logic rears its ugly head to beg the question:

If promoting Shula instead of hiring from outside will give the Panthers the best chance to win the most games next year (which is what you are implying), why wouldn't that be true beyond next year?

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If next year the Panthers end with a winning season and Coach Rivera keeps his job, what are you saying would change that would make him change his OC?

Your statements have only one basis in reality, that head coaches will always hire the coordinators and coaches that they feel will help the team win. Something you are attributing only to Coach Rivera?

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Fug it dude let's go bowling

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Admittedly I have not read the entire thread. So maybe this question has been asked.

But logic rears its ugly head to beg the question:

If promoting Shula instead of hiring from outside will give the Panthers the best chance to win the most games next year (which is what you are implying), why wouldn't that be true beyond next year?

OR

If next year the Panthers end with a winning season and Coach Rivera keeps his job, what are you saying would change that would make him change his OC?

Your statements have only one basis in reality, that head coaches will always hire the coordinators and coaches that they feel will help the team win. Something you are attributing only to Coach Rivera?

If you know the history of Mike Shula then you know he was able to make the playoffs several times with an all time great defense and an anemic offense in Tampa. Tony Dungy was the head coach and was able to manage games with strong defense while Shula did just enough (sometimes just a few field goals) to win. Then they would get into the playoffs and get shut down by a quality opponent year after year. He lost the 1999 Conference Championship game 12-6. That was the score, not their record that year. In 1997 they lost to Green Bay 11-7. This was Mike Shula with one of the greatest defenses ever constructed. Jeff Davidson circa 2008 would have taken these guys to the Super Bowl.

The point is Rivera is a defensive guy and he believes he can build a top tier defense and get enough from the offense to win. All defensive coaches believe they can win with defense. This is a fatal flaw in a league that favors the offense in virtually every situation. The league is designed for high powered offense. Winning with defense and conservative offense is like fighting the blitzkrieg with trench warfare. Punting on 4th and 1 with a minute left in a 1 point game is like playing Russian roulette with revolver with 2 empty chambers.

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If you know the history of Mike Shula then you know he was able to make the playoffs several times with an all time great defense and an anemic offense in Tampa. Tony Dungy was the head coach and was able to manage games with strong defense while Shula did just enough (sometimes just a few field goals) to win. Then they would get into the playoffs and get shut down by a quality opponent year after year. He lost the 1999 Conference Championship game 12-6. That was the score, not their record that year. In 1997 they lost to Green Bay 11-7. This was Mike Shula with one of the greatest defenses ever constructed. Jeff Davidson circa 2008 would have taken these guys to the Super Bowl.

The point is Rivera is a defensive guy and he believes he can build a top tier defense and get enough from the offense to win. All defensive coaches believe they can win with defense. This is a fatal flaw in a league that favors the offense in virtually every situation. The league is designed for high powered offense. Winning with defense and conservative offense is like fighting the blitzkrieg with trench warfare. Punting on 4th and 1 with a minute left in a 1 point game is like playing Russian roulette with revolver with 2 empty chambers.

Exactly what would a good OC of done in Tampa with his best weapon on offense being a FB? I still don't get the knock on him doing a decent job playing the type football wanted with a poo roster

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Exactly what would a good OC of done

In all 17,500 of your posts I don't think you've ever used the proper form of have/of.

I hope you of a good day though.

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Should have just trained a monkey to throw darts at a board and use whatever play it lands on.

Probably get better results.

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The point is Rivera is a defensive guy and he believes he can build a top tier defense and get enough from the offense to win. All defensive coaches believe they can win with defense. This is a fatal flaw in a league that favors the offense in virtually every situation. The league is designed for high powered offense. Winning with defense and conservative offense is like fighting the blitzkrieg with trench warfare. Punting on 4th and 1 with a minute left in a 1 point game is like playing Russian roulette with revolver with 2 empty chambers.

totally agreed. well said.

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