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#151 iamhubby1

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

lol....talking about feelings being the gist of your argument. you're running on "faith" while ignoring the fact that this team has 4 winning seasons ever.

ignoring the fact that this team has never had back to back winning seasons.

ignoring that it's been 5 years since a winning season.

they've done nothing but prove that they know how to lose.

can they win consistently? yep...but they don't. they find a way to lose, at least until they've got no shot at the playoffs.

what's easier to have confidence in, this team having a winning season next year or not having a winning season?

what's easier to believe? that this team will hit the playoffs or miss the playoffs?

if you believe this team will have a winning season or that they will make the playoffs, i ask why? is your answer based on any real evidence? or is it just a feeling? because the evidence is pointing to a team that doesn't know how to win consistently.

get off your midget horse and quit acting like you're a better fan than other fans who are basing their lack of faith in the team off results when you're sitting there basing your feelings on nothing more than hope without any real evidence to back it up.


Well ok then.

I will admit I have no proof that we are headed in the right direction. Just as it is unlikely you have proof that we will fail. Just because I don't happen to believe that the past is a precusor for the future I am a better fan? Oh, ok.

Making fun of the disgruntled is all I am doing. Not sure how you got that I feel I am a better fan because I don't get all frazzled over this organization. I had high hopes for this year too. I am dissappointed with how things were going. I just happen to feel things are trending in the right direction.

Most agree Hurney was our biggest obstacle. He was the one hire we could have done without. Unfortunatley, we cannot change history. The Gettlemen hire should give you hope. A true football guy running things should go a long way in getting us back on track.

There are plenty of things that make me giddy over the future. That is all I care about. Well, that, and picking on the disgruntled. Those fans stuck in the past. Those fans that just know failure is in our future. Those fans that refuse to see the light but choose to live in the darkness of a Hurney led past. Those fans cannot, or will not, give in to the path we are trying to pave.

That doesn't make me a better fan. It makes me a happier fan. If that annoys you. I can live with that.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

Well ok then.

I will admit I have no proof that we are headed in the right direction. Just as it is unlikely you have proof that we will fail. Just because I don't happen to believe that the past is a precusor for the future I am a better fan? Oh, ok.

Making fun of the disgruntled is all I am doing. Not sure how you got that I feel I am a better fan because I don't get all frazzled over this organization. I had high hopes for this year too. I am dissappointed with how things were going. I just happen to feel things are trending in the right direction.

Most agree Hurney was our biggest obstacle. He was the one hire we could have done without. Unfortunatley, we cannot change history. The Gettlemen hire should give you hope. A true football guy running things should go a long way in getting us back on track.

There are plenty of things that make me giddy over the future. That is all I care about. Well, that, and picking on the disgruntled. Those fans stuck in the past. Those fans that just know failure is in our future. Those fans that refuse to see the light but choose to live in the darkness of a Hurney led past. Those fans cannot, or will not, give in to the path we are trying to pave.

That doesn't make me a better fan. It makes me a happier fan. If that annoys you. I can live with that.

i never talk about your attitude or perspective on the team, even if i see it as naive. it doesn't annoy me, but it sure comes across like you are annoyed because you sure make an effort to put yourself over those who don't have the giddy you do. that's all you do in here, tho... pass judgement on fans who aren't as optimistic as you. you may not think that you are saying you think you are better or have a better prospective, but your posting is telling quite a different story.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

You don't need more than one good year as a OC, especially if you've been successful at it before.

Any decent OC is going to do well with this Carolina team. That's not a big risk.

And as I said, Shurmur, Jackson and Ross clearly wanted the job. And other journalist reported that Cowher and Gruden were interested in the job as well. And Remember, the NY Times Football blog (Fifth Down, with Analytics Specialist, Chase Stuart), called it 'the best coaching opportunity in 20 yrs'. Take that for what it's worth. But they said it (and other high level Football blogs said things similar, speculating about which big name coaches would step out of retirement to coach or GM the Panther job). So get your head out of the mud.

The point is: Carolina is a very attractive job, contrary to what many long time, downtrodden fans want to believe. And "Market" doesn't really matter in football. And Charlotte, is as nice a place to live as anywhere. That's not an issue. This isn't the NBA or even baseball. Different financial dynamics. I think the biggest problem with Carolina, is it's ownership, management and vision. Hopefully, Gettleman takes care of the player management and team vision aspect?

I clearly labeled Chip Kelly as speculation from "observers", which is what the chatter comprised of.

But go ahead, ignore everything else I said and what I documented/referenced.

It is, what it is.

Stop kitchen sinking throwing everything out there hoping something sticks. I didn't say that Carolina was a bad place to be so why the constant inferences. I said that in this case the OC job wasn't that desirable in my opinion.
Since the coaching job was not open the Cowher and Gruen comments are irrelevant. I said that all things being equal guys might prefer a high profile job over a smaller market team.

You have documented nothing that is relevant. Ross was a GM and we already discussed you are mixing apples and oranges. I already agreed that Shumur and Jackson wanted the job but Shula was a better choice.

So your argument is what?????? Nothing really that I haven't covered. But why let that stop you....

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:34 PM

i never talk about your attitude or perspective on the team, even if i see it as naive. it doesn't annoy me, but it sure comes across like you are annoyed because you sure make an effort to put yourself over those who don't have the giddy you do. that's all you do in here, tho... pass judgement on fans who aren't as optimistic as you. you may not think that you are saying you think you are better or have a better prospective, but your posting is telling quite a different story.


Just to amplify your point a little, Hubby has admitted he was a long suffering Lions fan. If anyone should understand, he should.

I have not started a single thread bashing any one of the decisions this offseason. I'm pretty sure you haven't either. And yet, we and others aren't expected to voice our opinions? That's not any kind of Huddle I want to participate in.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:35 PM

Stop kitchen sinking throwing everything out there hoping something sticks. I didn't say that Carolina was a bad place to be so why the constant inferences. I said that in this case the OC job wasn't that desirable in my opinion.
Since the coaching job was not open the Cowher and Gruen comments are irrelevant. I said that all things being equal guys might prefer a high profile job over a smaller market team.

You have documented nothing that is relevant. Ross was a GM and we already discussed you are mixing apples and oranges. I already agreed that Shumur and Jackson wanted the job but Shula was a better choice.

So your argument is what?????? Nothing really that I haven't covered. But why let that stop you....


Exactly; your opinion.

So end of story.

Now we can move on.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

Just to amplify your point a little, Hubby has admitted he was a long suffering Lions fan. If anyone should understand, he should.

I have not started a single thread bashing any one of the decisions this offseason. I'm pretty sure you haven't either. And yet, we and others aren't expected to voice our opinions? That's not any kind of Huddle I want to participate in.


The Panthers have had far more success in 17 years than the Lions have in my 50 years of being a fan. Which leads me to believe that most Panthers fans are spoiled.

Wherein lies the problem. I try very hard to not be negative towards people. If my making fun of the disgruntled is preceived that way, I am not doing somethiing right.

I am civil to folks who are civil. Most of the disgruntled are so unhappy they don't want anyone else to be happy. I find that humorous. Those are the ones I make fun of. The ones that just know we are going to fail because that is what we are good at. That we are building a foundation for the future is lost on these folks.

Why am I the bad guy for defending my position that we are headed in the right direction? Whereas, the disgruntled can make oultandish claims without any repercussions? Cuz this is the interwebz. There are no rules.

We have the opportunity to be a very good team. That is a very distinct posibility. When it happens, I will not gloat. I will revel in the succcess with anyone that happens to be there.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

Why am I the bad guy for defending my position that we are headed in the right direction? Whereas, the disgruntled can make oultandish claims without any repercussions? Cuz this is the interwebz. There are no rules.


I don't see anyone calling you or others that share your point of view bad or stupid or saying it is outlandish to adopt your point of view. I see you and a few others making comments suggesting that we should just blindly be giddy right along with you.

So you go your way and others will go their way, hopefully without rancor. After all, we're all fans of the same team.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

The Panthers have had far more success in 17 years than the Lions have in my 50 years of being a fan. Which leads me to believe that most Panthers fans are spoiled.


your problem is you've been rooting for a poo franchise and "upgraded" to a less shitty franchise so everything's great

hey you know grilled cheese sounds good for dinner when you've been eating bird poo for the last 5 days

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:26 PM

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

you panther fans are so spoiled.. you guys really need to know what it's like to root for a team that wins 2% less of the time


Oh look, M*A*S*H is on, I'm going to put a dinty moore in the microwave

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:06 PM

I don't see anyone calling you or others that share your point of view bad or stupid or saying it is outlandish to adopt your point of view. I see you and a few others making comments suggesting that we should just blindly be giddy right along with you.

So you go your way and others will go their way, hopefully without rancor. After all, we're all fans of the same team.




I am not asking for blind faith. I have given plenty of reasons for my giddy being so high.

But, the frustration level left over from last year is still strong. Which leads to fans becoming disgruntled. Comes with losing, especially on the heels of such high expectations. This is to be expected.

It is those folks that take it too far. That make outlandish statements, and spout opinions as fact. The ones that claim to know how future events will unfold. Or my favorite, that we strive for mediocrity. These are the entertaining ones, and the ones I am making fun of.

And if you don't think I get my share of poo, you ain't payin' attention. The snarky and disgruntled hate us optimists. Fortunately, they only add to the amusement.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

I don't see anyone calling you or others that share your point of view bad or stupid or saying it is outlandish to adopt your point of view. I see you and a few others making comments suggesting that we should just blindly be giddy right along with you.

So you go your way and others will go their way, hopefully without rancor. After all, we're all fans of the same team.


Who is calling you or saying you are outlandish? Posters say you bitch and complain and you do. At this point it may be totally justified but we won't know for six months. All I am saying is don't beat the dead horse for 6 months but wait until it is proven one or the other. Just like although I think the team is going to be a playoff team, I am not going to start 15 threads or constantly say that either. Because I have no more evidence I am right than those predicting gloom and doom.

Perhaps my issue is that I believe the off-season is the time for optimism and positive feelings which for many teams gets bashed soon enough when the season starts. So why be miserable all along the way until there is reason to do so?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

Posters say you bitch and complain and you do. All I am saying is don't beat the dead horse for 6 months but wait until it is proven one or the other.


What you and your ilk call bitching and complaining, more reasonable people would call voicing my opinion. And guess what? The only people talking about which opinions are acceptable and which aren't are you and a few others.

My recommendation? Stop giving your advice on what should or should not be posted on a message board, because no one is going to pay a damn bit of attention to it anyway.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

You can argue any position....does not lessen the fact that your arguement is majorly flawed and just damn wrong.


I'm right as usual, you, not so much.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

What you and your ilk call bitching and complaining, more reasonable people would call voicing my opinion. And guess what? The only people talking about which opinions are acceptable and which aren't are you and a few others.

My recommendation? Stop giving your advice on what should or should not be posted on a message board, because no one is going to pay a damn bit of attention to it anyway.



What I find funny is that posters like you are always telling people not to tell them what to post. Then they follow that by telling people like me what I should or should not post.

The problem is that you folks can't see the hypocrisy and irony about doing exactly what you don't want done to you.


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