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#61 DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA)

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

Was Shula YOUR first choice as OC?

Depends. No restrictions? Then Norv....as I assume was Rivera's.

However, certain OCs were basically automatically ruled out. Hottest OC on the market isn't going to entertain a modest 1 year deal to see if we win. That is the FO setting the bar for who we can get.

So within JR's limits....Shula makes the most since. But I am not betting on Shula....I am betting on Cam. Keeping Shula to me gives Cam the best 2013 odds

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

players being happy isn't all that matters. results are all that matters. winning is more important. you can be on a team with a great guy for a coach and still be losing, but hey...if the players are happy then its all good.

oh...and rivera knowing his job on the line or feeling the pressure won't make him better at his job. i mean it can, but it can also make him paranoid about making mistakes to the point that he suffers from paralysis from analysis and has no confidence in his playcalling and game management and he coaches scared and plays it safe or tries to instead of being bold when he should.

for a person who is prone to making bad decisions, putting the pressure on him may just make those decisions worse or compound the problem. i think he'll work hard, just like the rest of the coaches, but working hard doesn't always equal performing well.


I think the irony of Rivera and everything you're saying is this:

He admitted to reporters, that maybe he should have hired some one with head coach experience. Obviously he said this, due to his myriad on field and off field failures (Read Option emphasis with Chud; staying with non-producing vets; poor time, game, situational decision making, while coaching scared or not to lose most of the year, etc.).

Nonetheless, he hires an OC (and fills his SP coach), with someone with no HC experience, though two of his top candidates did. So now Rivera feels he's fit, ready for the job in 2013?

He's either very confident; very stupid; quite forgetful; knows something we don't know, or set up to fail (by Gettleman)?

Hmmmmh.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

Hue Jackson is great. I mean he has had that one year with his team in the top half of the NFL in PPG. We totally should blow up our offense for that guy's one season of success.


As opposed to Shula, who has not had a millisecond of success calling plays ever.

Oh well, at least it will all be over this time next year. Rivera will be gone, as well as shula. Smitty may retire but oh well I guess.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

So....what I have learned the last 24 hours.....
Most Huddlers hate this hire.
Zod has Tampa/Shula PTSD.
Most Huddlers love being miserable.



I was not for Rivera being retained. He was, and I said I would be supportive and hope he is able to grow as a head coach.

Now, Shula is the OC. Not the sexy hire. Thoughts............some continuity is not all bad. Sometimes things need to be tweeked not overhauled. I do a better job than I did 13 years ago...even 1 year ago. Shula may have been promoted in the past before he was ready because of his name. We know nothing about his interviews or the specifics of his performance for the past 2 years. Rivera's future depends on Shula's success (got to think playoffs). Gettleman also had input...... I have to believe in him (I liked his hire).

I have stopped my Rivera bashing. JR believed he should give him another chance, so I will be supportive and see how things work out. Gettleman said his job was to make everyone better, including Rivera. I am willing to give these guys a chance. Hoping this is Shula's time.


The staff is set. Can we move on to thinking about the draft?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

As opposed to Shula, who has not had a millisecond of success calling plays ever.

Oh well, at least it will all be over this time next year. Rivera will be gone, as well as shula. Smitty may retire but oh well I guess.

Okay, lets not go full retard....

He has had success some success callling plays. Lets not get all crazy.

Tampa only had a losing record his first year out of 4. If you are asked by your HC to play Foxball each year....you don't have big offensive numbers...funny so many keep playing that angle against him. They weren't losing games in Tampa then

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

I think the irony of Rivera and everything you're saying is this:

He admitted to reporters, that maybe he should have hired some one with head coach experience. Obviously he said this, due to his myriad on field and off field failures (Read Option emphasis with Chud; staying with non-producing vets; poor time, game, situational decision making, while coaching scared or not to lose most of the year, etc.).

Nonetheless, he hires an OC (and fills his SP coach), with someone with no HC experience, though two of his top candidates did. So now Rivera feels he's fit, ready for the job in 2013?


Funny how that worked out, huh?

He did hire the most non-threatening assistant coach out there, though. Welcome back Skipper!

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

Right, the one year at OC as Spurrier was crashing and burning in Washington and then the one year in Atlanta where Petrino left mid season.

I think maybe landing the QB coach job in Jacksonville for 4 or 5 years would probably do him wonders and make him a better OC going forward.


So we are making excuses for him now?

Am I doing it right?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

Okay, lets not go full retard....

He has had success some success callling plays. Lets not get all crazy


Where?

Best I could dig up was the one season at Bama where they won the Cotton Bowl.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

So we are making excuses for him now?

Am I doing it right?


I'm just trying to steer Jackson onto the Mike Shula road to successful coaching.

Not sure what you're doing.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:38 PM

I'm just trying to steer Jackson onto the Mike Shula road to successful coaching.

Not sure what you're doing.


Actually Mike Shula is following the Hue Jackson road to successful coaching. Have two complete failures as OC before getting better.

I am sure he is learning a lot about being an OC right in those defensive and special teams meetings in Cincy though.

At least the other NFL teams let Shula get back in the offensive side instead of saying "You are such a good offensive mind we are going to let you coach the secondary and special teams!!"

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

Nah, Shula was already an abject failure in Tampa before Hue got his shot coaching Stephen Davis in Washington.

Going to dig up some comparison coaching stats. One sec.

Edit: Stephen DAVIS, not Stephen JACKSON :(

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

Where?

Best I could dig up was the one season at Bama where they won the Cotton Bowl.

Um, when you HC asks you to play Foxball bc you have a top 5 D. You won't have big offensive numbers...especially with your best offensive weapon given to you is a FB.

Tampa was 29-19 his last 3 years. They won football games.

Pretty sure he called some good offensive games during that.

Too many people are just cherry picking the teams offensive ranking and ignore the rest. Go back and look at that roster and what Dungy asked....Shula did it. Then Dungy realized he needed to make some moves bc he needed more offense since he wasn't winning playoff games. Like all coaches you finger point and make changes. He didn't just hire a new OC.....he did what needed to be done and added talent (which helped score). Shula could only do so much with Alstot

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

Hue Jackson:

2001 - 2002
Coached Stephen Davis in Washington.

2003
OC for Washington during Spurrier's last season

2004 - 2006
Coached Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh in Cincinatti.

2007
OC in Atlanta under Bobby Petrino and Emmitt Thomas

2008 - 2009
QB coach for Joe Flacco

2010
OC for Oakland, offense was 6th in scoring and 10th in overall offense, also 2nd overall in rushing. Raiders doubled their scoring output from the previous season.

2011
HC for Oakland, went 8-8, fired after one season

2012
Returned to Cincinnati as Assistant to Special Teams and Assistant to Defensive Backs

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Then we have Mike Shula:

1996 - 1999
OC for Tampa, whose offense performed as follows:

1996 - 30th of 30 in points scored, 28th in total yards
1997 - 23rd of 30 in points scored, 29th in total yards
1998 - 18th of 30 in points scored, 22nd in total yards (* Peak year! *)
1999 - 27th of 31 in points scored, 28th in total yards

I'm not reposting his failure at Alabama

2007 - 2010
QB coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars

2011 - 2012
QB coach for the Panthers

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You're right teeray, Hue really pales in comparison. Maybe once he languishes at QB coach for 6 years and has a college HC collapse or two he can make a comeback.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

So we are making excuses for him now?


Also the irony here, intentional or not, was fuging awesome.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:19 PM

Hue Jackson:

2001 - 2002
Coached Stephen Davis in Washington.

2003
OC for Washington during Spurrier's last season

2004 - 2006
Coached Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh in Cincinatti.

2007
OC in Atlanta under Bobby Petrino and Emmitt Thomas

2008 - 2009
QB coach for Joe Flacco

2010
OC for Oakland, offense was 6th in scoring and 10th in overall offense, also 2nd overall in rushing. Raiders doubled their scoring output from the previous season.

2011
HC for Oakland, went 8-8, fired after one season

2012
Returned to Cincinnati as Assistant to Special Teams and Assistant to Defensive Backs

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Then we have Mike Shula:

1996 - 1999
OC for Tampa, whose offense performed as follows:

1996 - 30th of 30 in points scored, 28th in total yards
1997 - 23rd of 30 in points scored, 29th in total yards
1998 - 18th of 30 in points scored, 22nd in total yards (* Peak year! *)
1999 - 27th of 31 in points scored, 28th in total yards

I'm not reposting his failure at Alabama

2007 - 2010
QB coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars

2011 - 2012
QB coach for the Panthers

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You're right teeray, Hue really pales in comparison. Maybe once he languishes at QB coach for 6 years and has a college HC collapse or two he can make a comeback.


You do realize the manner in which you compared them is hysterical.

I mean for example....you cherry picked his offensive rankings when his team was in the postseason yet when given the opportunity for Jackson said simply coached under someone (when his team lost and ranked poorly in pts and yards)


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