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Dispelling some half-truths about Shula's time in Tampa

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Players matter.....it is why coaches who don't have lots of success can get jobs. Why guys like Caldwell cam win a ring and struggle to find employment after

So when coaches are replaced, and the new ones come in and do much better than previous staffs with essentially the same set of players, it's all luck?

Coaching matters a lot. The only time it doesn't is when people are forced to defend mediocre ones, apparently.

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So when coaches are replaced, and the new ones come in and do much better than previous staffs with essentially the same set of players, it's all luck?

Coaching matters a lot. The only time it doesn't is when people are forced to defend mediocre ones, apparently.

Give an example of such then...

Why does Caldwell have a ring and not Dungy in Indy? If Caldwell is a Superbowl caliber coach and that is so important....why doesn't he have a job

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Give an example of such then...

Why does Caldwell have a ring and not Dungy in Indy? If Caldwell is a Superbowl caliber coach and that is so important....why doesn't he have a job

Dungy has the ring, not Caldwell. . .

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Give an example of such then...

Why does Caldwell have a ring and not Dungy in Indy? If Caldwell is a Superbowl caliber coach and that is so important....why doesn't he have a job

Going 2-14 doesn't do wonders for the job search, does it?

Just think about the position you're taking here for a minute. Do you seriously mean to say that coaches are plug-and-play? Are you sure that given the same team, any given coach would have the same result as any other?

I don't think you mean that, but maybe in your haste to defend the Shula pick you didn't take as much care with what you wrote as you otherwise may have. Frankly, Shula has a bad history. If there were indeed a ton of valid excuses to explain it away, it's likely he would have gotten an OC offer before this. Right now, the ONLY qualification he has for the job that speaks in his favor is a close relationship to our quarterback.

The trouble is, despite that qualification he comes with a lot of red flags. And that's getting old.

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Dungy has the ring, not Caldwell. . .

You are right, Caldwell lead his team to the Superbowl as a first year HC. I knew there was some bogus bragging right Caldwell had thanks to the Indy roster. Just got it confused.

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If the OP is correct and he wasn't really bad in Tampa, why did it take 13 years for an NFL team to give him another shot?

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So when coaches are replaced, and the new ones come in and do much better than previous staffs with essentially the same set of players, it's all luck?

Coaching matters a lot. The only time it doesn't is when people are forced to defend mediocre ones, apparently.

preach it.

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So when coaches are replaced, and the new ones come in and do much better than previous staffs with essentially the same set of players, it's all luck?

In how this applies to Shula and Steckel, yes Steckel had a lot of the same players, with one glaring exception. he had a different QB.

And yes a QB can make all the difference in the world. The Panthers have essentially the same set of players they had in 2010 when they were historically bad, but with one major exception.

Chief Towelonhead

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If the OP is correct and he wasn't really bad in Tampa, why did it take 13 years for an NFL team to give him another shot?

Shulamagic?

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If the OP is correct and he wasn't really bad in Tampa, why did it take 13 years for an NFL team to give him another shot?

good question.

waiting for the excuses.

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In the case of Shula and Steckel, yes Steckel had a lot of the same players, with one glaring exception. he had a different QB.

And yes a QB can make all the difference in the world. The Panthers have essentially the same set of players they had in 2010, but with one major exception.

Chief Towel-on-head

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You have to be kidding me. Your entire support is based on the "Yeah, you have a point, but THIS time it's different." argument?

31 other teams in the league have changed offensive coordinators many times in the past 13 years. If it truly was different for Shula, do you think that maybe one of those openings may have gone to him?

Cam should make a big difference, but there's only so much one player can do. And if he does make Shula look competent, what do you think he would have been able to do with an OC who's actually really good?

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If the OP is correct and he wasn't really bad in Tampa, why did it take 13 years for an NFL team to give him another shot?

Well, he elected to go to college to essentially take a dream job. That accounts for a chunk.

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