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#11 Marguide

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:19 AM

I agree FP regarding your comments directly above.

As you know, I was not thrilled that we kept Ron, and certainly the hiring of Shula hasn't exactly given me warm fuzzies either. But I have to admit excitement thinking about the continuity we'll have on defense if we can keep things headed in the right direction. There is no doubt that Ron has a very good defensive mind, and I think people also underrate the job done by McDermott.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

Successful teams require some mixture of on-field talent and competent coaching. A great coaching staff can make average talent play over their heads. A talent laden team can cover up a lot of sins in the coaching area.

So the question is this...Are we better on the talent side or are we better on the coaching side?

Follow up question...Given your answer, what should be the critical priorities for Dave Gettleman going forward to get us to the promised land?

defense is more coaching, offenses is more players, for example offenses need a good QB, there is no way especially in the NFL to scheme around having a shitty QB.

Defense on the other hand you can have average players all around and still scheme yourself to a top 10 maybe even 5 defense with the right coach.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:23 AM

Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events that are apparently causally unrelated or unlikely to occur together by chance, yet are experienced as occurring together in a meaningful manner. The concept of synchronicity was first described in this terminology by Carl Gustav Jung a Swiss psychologist, in the 1920s.
The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality. Instead, it maintains that just as events may be grouped by cause, they may also be grouped by meaning. A grouping of events by meaning need not have an explanation in terms of cause and effect.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:29 AM

I will add one other positive point: in all of my time as a fan of Panthers football, this fanbase has had the worst ability I've ever seen at predicting how a season will turn out. Usually, when we feel like things are looking up we struggle, and when everyone is ready to burn the place down we do pretty well. So, I actually have a good feeling about 2013.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

Successful teams require some mixture of on-field talent and competent coaching. A great coaching staff can make average talent play over their heads. A talent laden team can cover up a lot of sins in the coaching area.

So the question is this...Are we better on the talent side or are we better on the coaching side?

Follow up question...Given your answer, what should be the critical priorities for Dave Gettleman going forward to get us to the promised land?


This is kind of a cop out but I think it is about even. I think both the coaches and players have a lot of potential but both are still growing and learning.

Not a good answer I know.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

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i actually liked synchronicity II, walking in your footsteps, and ms gradenko more. mother was a lot of fun as well. great album. gonna have to download it.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:10 AM

i actually liked synchronicity II, walking in your footsteps, and ms gradenko more. mother was a lot of fun as well. great album. gonna have to download it.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:53 AM

I think our team is far more player talent rich than coach talent. The guys that even non panther fans have to admit are talented: cam, Kalil, Smitty, double trouble, CJ, kraken, beason, Luke, td. That's plenty. The only coaching talent we have is defensive. They definitely had our secondary over achieving based on talent.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

As long as we are now derailed with talk of the Police, one of the fond memories from my youth was seeing the Police at a bar on the St. Louis riverfront. This was shortly after Roxanne started to get a lot of play on the radio. Admission cost, $3.

wow. that would have been awesome. the first i really started paying attention was de do do do de da da da in '80 when i was 10. i wore that .45 out. that b side was pretty freaky to me, btw. i usually loved the b sides of those records but that was one i could never get into.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

Talent doesn't vary THAT widely from team to team. What you need is a typical roster bolstered by a few playmakers, preferably one being your quarterback. And then you need a coach who can put the team in a position to succeed, and teach them how to do so. For instance, you don't ask a bunch of road grading offensive linemen to zone-block, it doesn't play to their strengths.

Consider what Harbaugh did out in San Francisco, since it's been brought up already. He doubled down on his defense, which is where his playmakers were. He also had Frank Gore, but he was saddled with Alex Smith under center. So he basically puts in a bunch of quick passes, and when he needs to go longer he has Smith roll out so he only has to track half the field. In short, Smith is put in a role that maximizes his strengths and responds with an amazing year. Same talent, but coached differently, and different results.

Then there was the Front Office work. Since Harbaugh's arrived he has turned over half his starting lineup. It's not like he's upgraded at every position, he's just put in pieces that he thinks will work better in his scheme. And it's really starting to show on the field. That's a different part of coaching, and time will tell if he's as good at it as he is the tactical, but early returns are promising.

The Panthers have plenty of talent, and Rivera is very good at teaching. He has a teaching staff as well. I don't think he worked well with Hurney, which is why Hurney was at a loss as to why the Panthers were losing early on--he thought he had given his coach the tools he needed to win, and it wasn't happening. So now Rivera is getting the tools from Gettleman, and it will be interesting to see if that pair works better. Hopefully, they will be, and hopefully Rivera will be better at the tactical part of his job next year.


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