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Who is Jim Harbaugh?

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Again, a non-answer. And I assure you, Harbaugh does not get universally glowing reviews from everywhere. His own media generally considers him an arrogant jerk who glories in the accomplishments of his team and refuses to accept blame. I find it fascinating that my generally lucid and forthright comments on Harbaugh are written off as rapid homerism when anyone who's read through my comments generally find I make logical and defensible arguments on why I feel the way i do. You don't have to agree with me either, but to slight me by accusing me of fanaticism or homerism just shows the futility of your own arguments.

I didn't accuse you of homerism. Other people did that. I accused you of potential fanaticism.

Once we have to prove why Harbaugh is a mediocre to poor Head Coach in your mind (based off of the supposition that he's not a good Executive/Manager/Decision Maker/Leader, despite the fact that we can find numerous examples of Rivera's mistakes in those areas, but few of Harbaugh's), we've gone from the realm of a healthy football debate, spiraling into the slippery slope of vapid, self indulgent semantics.

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oh...and harbaugh getting fired in a few years? lol

if the results are there, he won't be fired.

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fiery has an entire ax factory to grind over harbaugh. geez louise

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i left it out because it wasn't important about him running a successful program. i did say that he wasn't liked and he was arrogant, did i not? did i do anything to hide from that.

it has no bearing on his coaching, though. i'm not surprised in your grasping at straw approach to arguing that harbaugh isn't as good as people think that you'd grasp at that one.

he does what it takes to get his team better. he does what it takes to make his team dominant. that's what you look for. i don't care how "smart" or how much of an expert someone is when i'm looking for a leader. i'm looking for someone who makes the people around them the best, and that's exactly what he does.

that "pro-bowl" talent he "inherited"...how many of those guys had been selected to the probowl when he got there? how much more are the achieving as individuals and as a group compared to before he got there?

Grasping at straws? I'm pointing out that his "leadership" has apparent flaws from the get-go. I've already writeen enough on my other reasons for finding him overrated (to which no one bothers a response because they have none.)

You have no tangible proof that Harbaugh is any of the things you claim he is. None. Zero. Zilch.

We already know he presents no schematic advantages, we already know he is blessed with more talent around him than most other coaches, we already know he took over an underpeforming squad that could have improved with merely competent coaching, and we already know he has a record of being intensely disliked and of lying to suit his situations. But other than all that he's an elite coach!

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I didn't accuse you homerism. Other people did that. I accused you of potential fanaticism.

Once we have to prove why Harbaugh is a mediocre to poor Head Coach in your mind (based off of the supposition that he's not a good Executive/Manager/Decision Maker/Leader, despite the fact that we can find numerous examples of Rivera's mistakes in those areas, but few of Harbaugh's), we've gone from the realm of a healthy football debate, spiraling into the slippery slope of vapid, self indulgent semantics.

I'm not talking about Rivera. I'm talking about Harbaugh. Prove your case that he is a good Executive/Manager/Decision Maker/Leader.

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fiery has an entire ax factory to grind over harbaugh. geez louise

I have an ax to grind with you, rayzor, and whatever other goddamn moron wants to continue your lovefest for Harbaugh and slam JR for not forcing the man to come here when he clearly had no interest in doing so. He may be a better coach than Rivera, but he's not elite, he's wouldn't have done much better here, and the rest of it is typical Huddle whining that I'm sick and tired of hearing.

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wow. i would rather debate cantrell on civil rights and living wage then Johnny Cantankerous in the friggin panther forum. wow.

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I have an ax to grind with you, rayzor, and whatever other goddamn moron wants to continue your lovefest for Harbaugh and slam JR for not forcing the man to come here when he clearly had no interest in doing so. He may be a better coach than Rivera, but he's not elite, he's wouldn't have done much better here, and the rest of it is typical Huddle whining that I'm sick and tired of hearing.

wow you're daft.

i'm not complaining about JR not hiring him. i know that the panthers had interest and he didn't. i didn't think it was likely that we'd get him because i saw no benefit to him personally by leaving the bay area.

i knew all along that he would find success as a coach in the NFL and that he'd find it quickly. nothing has changed that.

you've got the problem here because you're on this pissy homer outrage that is blinding you about him being successful.

but you know what...i would have more success talking to a doorknob about why it would be better off becoming an apple pie than trying to get you to admit you're wrong about him and it's not because you're right. it's because you're just stubborn and i'm done with it.

please continue on your mission to discredit the guy and fight us "goddamn morons" who think that harbaugh is as good of a coach as he is.

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Fiery, I used to think much better of your posts and post quality. Not that you care, but... Man, WTF happened?

The longer I've been on this board the more I've seen people attach themselves to one person, player, or line of thinking associated with our organization to the point that they completely meltdown when the tide turns against that person/player/ideal. It seems you're headed down that path.

You are an intelligent dude, but that doesn't mean you have all the answers.

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