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#181 SZ James (banned)

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

The dude's business acumen is great. I'll never question him on that.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:26 PM

I hear from someone in the business that he has 2 more years max before he's fired. Can't say who...I have to protect my sources.


http://www.carolinah...30#entry2093979

For the record, I never gave a definite timeframe. Let's say if he's still there in three years I'll be wrong.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

notice how he got timid when I asked him to analyze some short term stuff like this year's playoffs.

He's banking on no one giving a sh*t in three years if he's wrong.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

notice how he got timid when I asked him to analyze some short term stuff like this year's playoffs.

He's banking on no one giving a sh*t in three years if he's wrong.


You asked me to do what?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

I'd say we were aspiring for mediocrity.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

http://www.carolinah...30#entry2093979

For the record, I never gave a definite timeframe. Let's say if he's still there in three years I'll be wrong.


Haha, so you caught my snarky comment. Kudos.

Okay, we'll check in come 2016.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

You asked me to do what?


You need glasses or something?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:39 PM

Safe to say this thread has gone dildos yes?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

FP I normally applaud your posts and Lord knows I have pied you many times. But this time, I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about.

Do you understand the difference between going 12-1 at Stanford vs going 12-1 at USC?
USC normally recruits among the Top 5 in the nation, and ran a pro-style offense the envy of many of the nations best programs. Stanford was/and still is considered an academic school that happened to have a football team.

Great coaching gets you wins at Stanford. Great talent gets you wins at USC.

Except for two losing seasons at Stanford, Harbaugh had 3 winning seasons at San Jose State, 3 more winning seasons at Stanford, and now 2 more winning seasons in San Francisco. This dude has been winning at all levels. Now he was not elite as a player. But as a coach I would take him over almost everybody but Belichick right now. That's only because Belichick has been consistently been winning NFL games longer.

NE 2001 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC East 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXVI Champions
NE 2002 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC East – – – –
NE 2003 14 2 0 .875 1st in AFC East 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXVIII Champions
NE 2004 14 2 0 .875 1st in AFC East 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXIX Champions
NE 2005 10 6 0 .625 1st in AFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Divisional Game
NE 2006 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to Indianapolis Colts in AFC Championship Game
NE 2007 16 0 0 1.000 1st in AFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to New York Giants in Super Bowl XLII
NE 2008 11 5 0 .688 2nd in AFC East – – – –
NE 2009 10 6 0 .625 1st in AFC East 0 1 .000 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Wild Card Game
NE 2010 14 2 0 .875 1st in AFC East 0 1 .000 Lost to New York Jets in AFC Divisional Game
NE 2011 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to New York Giants in Super Bowl XLVI
NE 2012 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Championship Game

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:30 PM

You need glasses or something?


If you asked me to predict this year's playoffs I already did earlier. I had Atlanta over Baltimore, and I'm 1 for 2.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

How much further down the rabbit hole can we go?

13 pages full off FP not knowing wtf he's talking about.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

FP I normally applaud your posts and Lord knows I have pied you many times. But this time, I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about.

Do you understand the difference between going 12-1 at Stanford vs going 12-1 at USC?
USC normally recruits among the Top 5 in the nation, and ran a pro-style offense the envy of many of the nations best programs. Stanford was/and still is considered an academic school that happened to have a football team.

Great coaching gets you wins at Stanford. Great talent gets you wins at USC.

Except for two losing seasons at Stanford, Harbaugh had 3 winning seasons at San Jose State, 3 more winning seasons at Stanford, and now 2 more winning seasons in San Francisco. This dude has been winning at all levels. Now he was not elite as a player. But as a coach I would take him over almost everybody but Belichick right now. That's only because Belichick has been consistently been winning NFL games longer.

NE 2001 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC East 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXVI Champions
NE 2002 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC East – – – –
NE 2003 14 2 0 .875 1st in AFC East 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXVIII Champions
NE 2004 14 2 0 .875 1st in AFC East 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXIX Champions
NE 2005 10 6 0 .625 1st in AFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Divisional Game
NE 2006 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to Indianapolis Colts in AFC Championship Game
NE 2007 16 0 0 1.000 1st in AFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to New York Giants in Super Bowl XLII
NE 2008 11 5 0 .688 2nd in AFC East – – – –
NE 2009 10 6 0 .625 1st in AFC East 0 1 .000 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Wild Card Game
NE 2010 14 2 0 .875 1st in AFC East 0 1 .000 Lost to New York Jets in AFC Divisional Game
NE 2011 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to New York Giants in Super Bowl XLVI
NE 2012 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Championship Game


See, that's a logical fallacy though. You can do that for almost any college coach that makes the jump to the NFL, because they only get the opportunity if they were winning a lot at the lower level. His college career is irrelevant.

What I'm looking at is purely his pro career, and I do not see an elite coach. A good one, yes. Elite, no. Even if we assume he has outstanding leadership skills and motivational acumen those traits only get you so far: you have to be able to actually provide a schematic advantage for your team. Right now I see Ditka 2.0: a guy who ends up in a fortuitous situation, with good coordinators and lots of surrounding talent who is riding it like he invented football. But that's my unpopular opinion, although I really wish someone someone would actually refute my assertations for a change rather than just say "no, because wins."

Because winning early isn't an infallible indicator of a good coach, as George Siefert can attest.