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People call it college offense...gimmick...but this type of offense is in the superbowl...we have a QB that can run it....panthers coaching staff better be watching the playoffs carefully

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It will eventually be figured out, just like the wildcat was.

It's just a good wrinkle to have in the playbook, not as a base offense. Also the niners dont use it as a base its just sprinkled in here and there where its most effective.
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Teams have already figured out how to stop the read option. Its really not that challenging, unless you're the packers of course. It really just falls on the execution of the defenders. Its good to throw in the game at some point.

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The difference is having an accurate QB running it.The best play out of the read option is the pass.

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San Fran and their huge Oline, run it very well

Chud was not crazy to try it with a QB like Newton. The offense, for whatever reason, just could not execute.

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if the qb isn't accurate means nothing. I say it depends on Chip Kelly. If his run is good look out.

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This is not a wrinkle that will be figured out. The Wildcat was and is nothing like the read option. If I were a braggart I would mention that I wrote about this very thing in 2010 as Cam was going through the draft process.

When I or others said that Cam could revolutionize the QB position, we were mainly talking about how scouts view QBs in the evaluation process. Before Cam's rookie year, being very mobile was considered either negligible benefit or even a hindrance.

The truth is, that the prototypical straight drop back QB is on the verge of extinction in college and high school. There will always be a premium on great passers. But what we have seen over the last 10 or so years is that prototypical QBs have become over valued in the scouting process. Basically, if you ran a pro style offense in college and could be even moderately competent you would get an automatic top two round grade.

I said then and I still believe now that the NFL is on the verge of a major change. Mainly because the athletic QB has become so commonplace in college that the NFL will have to adjust in order to expand the options at QB that are available.

And with the remarkable success of our offense (which is better than you guys act like it is), SF, Seattle, and Washington, NFL coaches are beginning to make this transition and will continue to do so unless college reverts back to more traditional offenses.

Of course, when I said this two years ago most on here laughed at me.

At the same time, it is too early to be too braggadocios, because the NFL defenses will continue to make adjustments. But in my opinion, it doesn't really matter what defenses do. If the QB can pass as well as run, it is virtually undefendable.
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If the read option is a gimmick, so is the forward pass. Read option has been around longer.
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[quote name='MrPickles' timestamp='1358735643' post='2107698']
If the read option is a gimmick, so is the forward pass. Read option has been around longer.
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Not the way its being played now from the shotgun. Its out on the edge now as opposed to the old wishbone where the QB ran down the line and got blown up by the DE in the pros.

I agree its here to stay. With a lack of quality drop back QBs teams may draft a bunch of read option guys and start treating the QB position like they do running backs. The rookie salary cap makes it doable.

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At the same time, it is too early to be too braggadocios, because the NFL defenses will continue to make adjustments. But in my opinion, it doesn't really matter what defenses do. If the QB can pass as well as run, it is virtually undefendable.
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I think what they will start doing is blitzing the merge point, and hitting the QB no matter what. Teams that use it a lot will need 2 QBs who can run it.

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The read option may be here to stay indeed.

However, I still would like Cam and the Panthers to play the way they did at the end of 2012 (and in 2011), where Cam sits mostly in the pocket and only runs when the pocket collapses/he has to, and/or on 2-5 called run plays during the game. That's it. Cam, and the offense has been most effective so far doing it just like that.

Just the threat of him running, is good enough to open up the RB runs and passing game.

Of course, a lot of this centers on what the defense gives Cam to work with of course. But based off prior success, that should be the base game plan for him and the offense.

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[quote name='DennisRodman' timestamp='1358731886' post='2107461']
People call it college offense...gimmick...but this type of offense is in the superbowl...we have a QB that can run it....panthers coaching staff better be watching the playoffs carefully
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I know that most probably disagree, but Cam is really good in our offense, and he is getting better. Also, our weapons are well suited to it as well. Tolbert, Willams, Stewart...

The NFL is changing. It is becoming more athletic at the QB position. Guys like Cam, RG3, Kaepernick(sp) Russel Wilson are the New NFL. The good thing is that Cam is really durable, and he is going to perform at a high level for a while to come.

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[quote name='TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam' timestamp='1358733143' post='2107516']
It will eventually be figured out, just like the wildcat was.

It's just a good wrinkle to have in the playbook, not as a base offense. Also the niners dont use it as a base its just sprinkled in here and there where its most effective.
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Just because the QB doesn't keep all the time doesn't mean it's not being used. They defended Kaep so Gore gutted them. Either way you gonna get gutted. here to stay.

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Teams have already figured out how to stop the read option. Its really not that challenging, unless you're the packers of course. It really just falls on the execution of the defenders. Its good to throw in the game at some point.
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What team have figured it out? You mean the Failcon game? Figuring out doesn't mean letting the RB gut you all day long by only defending the QB.

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1358735643' post='2107697']
This is not a wrinkle that will be figured out. The Wildcat was and is nothing like the read option. If I were a braggart I would mention that I wrote about this very thing in 2010 as Cam was going through the draft process.

When I or others said that Cam could revolutionize the QB position, we were mainly talking about how scouts view QBs in the evaluation process. Before Cam's rookie year, being very mobile was considered either negligible benefit or even a hindrance.

The truth is, that the prototypical straight drop back QB is on the verge of extinction in college and high school. There will always be a premium on great passers. But what we have seen over the last 10 or so years is that prototypical QBs have become over valued in the scouting process. Basically, if you ran a pro style offense in college and could be even moderately competent you would get an automatic top two round grade.

I said then and I still believe now that the NFL is on the verge of a major change. Mainly because the athletic QB has become so commonplace in college that the NFL will have to adjust in order to expand the options at QB that are available.

And with the remarkable success of our offense (which is better than you guys act like it is), SF, Seattle, and Washington, NFL coaches are beginning to make this transition and will continue to do so unless college reverts back to more traditional offenses.

Of course, when I said this two years ago most on here laughed at me.

At the same time, it is too early to be too braggadocios, because the NFL defenses will continue to make adjustments. But in my opinion, it doesn't really matter what defenses do. If the QB can pass as well as run, it is virtually undefendable.
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Your right about Cam.

I kinow it has been said over and over, but it's true. Most of the 'expert analysts' thought that Cam would fail, but he deserves credit for opening the door in the NFL to athletic QBs that are revolutionizing the game.

I must also say that this evolution really began at the college level, but Cam showed that it could work in the NFL.

Remember when everyone used to say that "Cam will never be able to run like that in the NFL"? ... his accomplishments speak for themselves.

Now that we have another draft for Rivera to beef up our defense even more... it could really be us up there on the big stage before long (with different results this time).
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[quote name='goodoleboy' timestamp='1358736686' post='2107759']
I think what they will start doing is blitzing the merge point, and hitting the QB no matter what. Teams that use it a lot will need 2 QBs who can run it.
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In order to even try to do that you would have to know exactly when the team is going to run the read option and what side it is being run to. That likely won't happen.

Also if you try to do that then the offensive coordinator will probably pull a guard and fullback to that side and just run power off tackle and shred the huge holes that will open up when the DE is over pursuing and leaves a gaping hole on that side leaving a running back running through a gaping hole with two lead blockers, Big run and likely TD city.

The third thing is the screen game and slant routes will blow that look up if you try to blitz constantly to take away the read option.

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[quote name='TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam' timestamp='1358733143' post='2107516']
It will eventually be figured out, just like the wildcat was.

It's just a good wrinkle to have in the playbook, not as a base offense. Also the niners dont use it as a base its just sprinkled in here and there where its most effective.
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Don't forget with the wildcat the offense had to change personnels just ot run it so the defense already knew what was coming.

another thing: you can't keep saying the read option is gonna be figured out EVERY year until we're all 6 feet under. lol

After next year, when it's NOT figured out, you have to stop saying that cause people will laugh at you. I certainly will.

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so now you have to look at asst coaches who have a background in the RO. going forward.

but more importantly, a d cord who has shown how to stop it at the college level consistently. bcs champ games not withstanding

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[quote name='teeray' timestamp='1358737762' post='2107803']

In order to even try to do that you would have to know exactly when the team is going to run the read option and what side it is being run to. That likely won't happen.

Also if you try to do that then the offensive coordinator will probably pull a guard and fullback to that side and just run power off tackle and shred the huge holes that will open up when the DE is over pursuing and leaves a gaping hole on that side leaving a running back running through a gaping hole with two lead blockers, Big run and likely TD city.

The third thing is the screen game and slant routes will blow that look up if you try to blitz constantly to take away the read option.
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Could have have said it better. The read option is lethal.

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so now you have to look at asst coaches who have a background in the RO. going forward.

but more importantly, a d cord who has shown how to stop it at the college level consistently. bcs champ games not withstanding
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The problem is, it's even more lethal in college. Oregon is having a field day putting up 50 points per game on every DC with average players that barely get drafted.

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Ore isn't winning the national champ tho.

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What team have figured it out? You mean the Failcon game? Figuring out doesn't mean letting the RB gut you all day long by only defending the QB.
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I never said it did...Nor did I say the falcons figured it out lol.

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The read option will NOT be figured out. It will boil down to the teams that have it and those that don't and want to have it. Tonight says it all. If Brady was an option QB that 4th & 4 would have been a big gain. And all those situation where there were no open WRs and brady having a lot of time to read the defense 5 times, on the fourth time he could have just ran and pick up a first down. Cam up! Brady down!

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People saying it's easy to stop clearly don't know much about mapping out blocking schemes.

The option (at least, the triple, which we have ran with success) is designed to outnumber you and to force them to "pick their poison". Speed helps stop it, sure, but if the blockers get where they are supposed to and pick their man up, as long as the QB and RBs involved execute, it's a guaranteed 5+ yard gain every time.

It is NOTHING like the wildcat. Maintain outside leverage, hold your gaps inside, you stop the wildcat. It's not nearly that simple with the option. Fill the gaps inside? OK, QB pulls. Maintain outside leverage? QB cuts it up. Again, as long as the blockers pick up their man, it's a big gain. Your only hope is to overload that side, but then the offense can just audible to a sweep away from the overload and at least pick up a small gain (most likely a big one though).


Having said ALL of that, like any play, you can't run it consistently at this level. Defenses have speed now. Lots of it. You have to catch them getting overly excited to stop the inside run and ignore the QB. As long as we ran it like we did at the end of the year, we're fine with it.

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there is a reason a read option team hasn't won the NC in college. they go up against a stout sec(see nfl) caliber d and well, there ya go.

however, due to the trend coming, im more interested in the type of d that develops to consistenly stop it.

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